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dgibby

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57. Precisely why we find ourselves in this mess now.

Sat Oct 12, 2013, 03:30 PM

Oct 2013

If we capitulate to the republicans in ANY way......".

Time and time again, Dems have given to GOP demands (and no, I am not blaming Pres. Obama). We have "trained" the repubs to believe that if they just hold their breath or roll on the floor having the mother of all temper tantrums, the Dems will eventually give them what they want again. If they are going to act like unruly children, it's time for us to treat them as such, and start by relagating them to the "time out" chair, not reward them for bad behavior.

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There must be no reward for extortion. I'd let the country default if the GOP won't give in. [View all] backscatter712 Oct 2013 OP

totally agree beachbum bob Oct 2013 #1

I don't think it will come to that. The Koch Bros rely on Wall Street for their exuberant wealth, BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #2

If Only allinthegame Oct 2013 #64

+1000 Rebellious Republican Oct 2013 #71

Koch Industries is privately held ... GeorgeGist Oct 2013 #75

True. But what of Koch Industries' subsidiaries? BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #86

I wonder if there is some sort of law or special ops force Turbineguy Oct 2013 #3

In kidnapping, if police feel kidnapper will harm a child, they'll say pay him--then we'll get'em hooverville29 Oct 2013 #4

If the Dems cave, they lose all their leverage. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #5

Sure we can get'em. They call it an election like in 2014. Be careful about who's on the hate list hooverville29 Oct 2013 #9

If Obama caves, we'll lose the 2014 election. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #11

The "bitchslap," as you put it, will come for *everybody* those hurt feel are responible. hooverville29 Oct 2013 #33

If the government defaults, the GOP gets blamed. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #36

The polls seem to indicate that those hurt are fully aware of who is to blame for this Squinch Oct 2013 #46

That's before the SS, Student, Ag support, etc., checks stop coming. You and I both know when hooverville29 Oct 2013 #50

I seriously doubt that. If we know who is responsible, we know who is responsible. Squinch Oct 2013 #52

+1, we all know who is responsible. LiberalLoner Oct 2013 #76

Almost seems like some here want us to believe we don't know what we know, doesn't it? Squinch Oct 2013 #77

Republicans are, in a way, droning fellow citizens. When they cut off people's access Squinch Oct 2013 #44

First, this isn't a child. Second, it's true that police don't volunteer the child's Squinch Oct 2013 #40

But in this case, the kidnapper isn't willing to release the hostage starroute Oct 2013 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author hooverville29 Oct 2013 #6

"I'm willing to live with the casualties." R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #7

There is no victory without risk. n/t backscatter712 Oct 2013 #8

Nice to offer your fellow citizens up for risk. hooverville29 Oct 2013 #10

I'm sorry, I can't hear your over my refusal to give a fuck. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #13

And that attitude is *exactly* what could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory -- hooverville29 Oct 2013 #27

so my husband, federal pensioner, annabanana Oct 2013 #32

And just what will YOU be giving up? Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #12

Plenty - I'm subsisting on student loans, which I'd probably lose. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #14

You'd 'probably' lose? Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #15

So you'd rather chicken out? backscatter712 Oct 2013 #17

Nice deflection. You won't answer my question, will you? Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #19

A matter of months. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #20

No, I am not. I have a son. We collect SS Survivors benefits... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #22

If you're not willing to stand and fight, you're going to lose. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #23

That's a risk, as a parent responsible for someone OTHER than myself...and you, ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #25

You have the luxury of a few months. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #28

Thank you Sheldon. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #29

Yep. I remember the tax cut deal a few years ago historylovr Oct 2013 #85

There are no rules or precedent for the chaos looming. His anxiety is because he just doesn't know hooverville29 Oct 2013 #31

I think you are looking at it the wrong way LostOne4Ever Oct 2013 #16

Exactly. NOT ONE INCH! backscatter712 Oct 2013 #18

^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^ Squinch Oct 2013 #48

Precisely why we find ourselves in this mess now. dgibby Oct 2013 #57

I agree Lifelong Dem Oct 2013 #21

I'm hoping for a last second EO from the prez, if it comes to that. nt Zorra Oct 2013 #24

the problem is DonCoquixote Oct 2013 #53

Probably LostOne4Ever Oct 2013 #59

It will hurt if we go into default but it will hurt more if we give in. texanwitch Oct 2013 #26

It will not hurt... It will kill. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #30

Either way the american people will be hurt. texanwitch Oct 2013 #34

I was clarifying. Hurt/pain is too light of a word. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #39

Well, my house is paid for. texanwitch Oct 2013 #45

Well, I'm happy for you. It costs money to feed and clothe kids. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #47

I was making a joke about the house. texanwitch Oct 2013 #49

Agreed. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #51

That's ok. texanwitch Oct 2013 #56

And the GOP won't? backscatter712 Oct 2013 #35

You've made it clear that you're willing to sacrifice many of us on SS ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #37

Because if we cave in to extortion, we'll be just as dead. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #38

...and that's all I'm going to say about that. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #41

"I won't even speak to the few republicans I know anymore." KansDem Oct 2013 #80

Totally agree and I have a lot to lose in my retirement fund! B Calm Oct 2013 #42

Agree! n/t bobGandolf Oct 2013 #43

This is about appeasement, something Right Wingers are good at whining about Snake Plissken Oct 2013 #54

I would agree IF MyNameGoesHere Oct 2013 #55

It very well might. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #58

I hate being forced to agree with this post. Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2013 #60

Exactly. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #61

No way as I would be one of the casualties. n/t RebelOne Oct 2013 #62

Uh MFrohike Oct 2013 #63

Right wingers are counting on the Democrats giving in to their demands! B Calm Oct 2013 #66

That's right. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #68

I have to agree. AngryOldDem Oct 2013 #67

These idiots don't SEE it that way.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #69

I am the bottom rung Half-Century Man Oct 2013 #70

Then start donating to the food banks and other places that help those in serious need. 1monster Oct 2013 #72

Freedom isn't free. Flying Squirrel Oct 2013 #73

Spot on. 99Forever Oct 2013 #74

Totally Agree - We set a bad precedent in 2011 dballance Oct 2013 #78

I began Screaming at Dems fredamae Oct 2013 #79

and the average american has no idea what's coming nt maryellen99 Oct 2013 #81

Speak for yourself. 99Forever Oct 2013 #84

Wish I had a time machine AndrewRN Oct 2013 #82

EgyptAir Flight 990 gulliver Oct 2013 #83