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272. She crossed my mind when I read this too

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Sat Oct 12, 2013, 03:39 PM

Oct 2013

I've heard all about Kate's spoon.

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Spanking Child With Wooden Spoon Not Child Abuse, Says State Court [View all] cali Oct 2013 OP

good. Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #1

Unfunny. It clearly is abuse. And corporal punishment doesn't work of course. HERVEPA Oct 2013 #10

a simple wooden Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #11

yes, because your experience is the be all and end all. cali Oct 2013 #15

everybody Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #19

no, it's not, but the vast majority of experts in the field cali Oct 2013 #21

doesn't mean they Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #23

yes, yes. the parents who hit their children are the ones that know best cali Oct 2013 #24

I have taken the cd classes Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #26

Let me get this straight--- trumad Oct 2013 #28

+1 LiberalLoner Oct 2013 #36

+1... Makes one wonder. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2013 #49

My wife and I used a wooden spoon on our kids when they fouled up Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #68

wow trumad Oct 2013 #93

Differences of opinions are what makes this place great. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #96

my opinion is that you are a fucking coward trumad Oct 2013 #99

Once again, that's your opinion and you're welcome to it. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #101

you're god damn right its my opinion. trumad Oct 2013 #104

Ain't this place grand, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #107

Oh. look at you. So reasonable and calm. Too bad you can't raise a child without hitting them. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #394

I was juror #6 stevenleser Oct 2013 #111

thank you. n/t cali Oct 2013 #112

I was No. 4 - TBF Oct 2013 #113

It's a common double standard. Igel Oct 2013 #365

Something may be common TBF Oct 2013 #373

snarf trumad Oct 2013 #115

Trumad, usually I want to set you on fire with my mind-lasers... Scootaloo Oct 2013 #370

Jury got it right, especially #3 n/t kcr Oct 2013 #147

Thanks! Paulie Oct 2013 #261

Bad call, steven IMHO arely staircase Oct 2013 #179

You teach in one backasswards pathetic school district. MattBaggins Oct 2013 #282

It is permitted in many states arely staircase Oct 2013 #296

This is why the jury system is so useless here. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2013 #189

Doesn't really matter to me what he called me, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #198

Maybe it doesn't matter what you're called. It does matter what you do, Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #396

Your opinion. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #467

I respect your opinion. As I said in my jury comments most personal attacks are an auto-hide for me stevenleser Oct 2013 #205

Thank you! And to be proud to admit that one has no idea what one is doing on jury service. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #344

Yes, this vote is very problematic. JimDandy Oct 2013 #358

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Oct 2013 #518

Congratulations on doing your part to make DU a worse place to be. last1standing Oct 2013 #316

I wouldn't be proud of that. I vote to hide all personal attacks, regardless of what ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #342

I am proud of it. I enforced the standards for the community I am comfortable with and for me stevenleser Oct 2013 #485

You are a waste of a jury vote and are using the system for your own gain and platfrom. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #486

You realize you just attacked me personally for failing to hide a personal attack, right? stevenleser Oct 2013 #487

If that's how you feel, alert. I've merely stated the truth, without the nasty language ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #488

It's truly sad ronnie624 Oct 2013 #493

So true. But such cowards will never admit that. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #393

advocating for abuse and assault is not a difference of opinion MattBaggins Oct 2013 #279

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #141

My mom did that also, or if she was in the bedroom gopiscrap Oct 2013 #143

We never spanked our kids bare bottomed, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #146

It's still wrong. You took the easy way out rather than figuring out Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #398

Your opinion. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #468

Of course you do. Because you can't admit you're wrong. I reject your rejection. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #498

LOL. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #525

your child would "dissolve"? and you think that was a good thing? yikes. cali Oct 2013 #170

my English isn't the greatest, probably could have used a beter word gopiscrap Oct 2013 #175

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #322

Filling in more information about you. Thank you. uppityperson Oct 2013 #325

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #328

2 for. Thought so my dear. I have no clue what you are asking about. Bye. uppityperson Oct 2013 #330

Don't quit do you. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #331

I've a new friend! My old besest buddy finally gave up on me and now I've a new bff uppityperson Oct 2013 #334

LOL might be fun or really scary. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #335

You think you have a new friend. William769 Oct 2013 #336

Was she mean to you? ETA uppityperson Oct 2013 #337

You could write a book! cyberswede Oct 2013 #402

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #550

And...she's back! Nope. I was wrong. uppityperson Oct 2013 #551

Again??? Let this thread DIE already. arcane1 Oct 2013 #552

It was the only thing your parents figured out that you would learn from. There Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #397

How old were they when you stopped? n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #149

we spanked our daughter once when she was 13 (she was the wilder one) gopiscrap Oct 2013 #151

Children of the age of puberty are much too old. pnwmom Oct 2013 #155

she was slow getting to puberty (propably wouldn't have done it if she'd gone through it) gopiscrap Oct 2013 #159

Definitely, and I often wonder about all of this bare bottom spanking, something RKP5637 Oct 2013 #437

After about 9yo we stopped the swats Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #158

This girl was 12. What she described was a form of sexual abuse. pnwmom Oct 2013 #166

yes it is sexual abuse madrchsod Oct 2013 #310

Has any parent in the history of the US been charged with sexual abuse for spanking? Stay calm buddy Oct 2013 #354

If not, it's because our sick, violent society has condoned this abuse. It's wrong. It needs to stop Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #399

Spanking vs. enslaving a human being Stay calm buddy Oct 2013 #519

If you messed up at work and your boss assaulted you MattBaggins Oct 2013 #278

If you did that TO your wife you'd go to prison. LeftyMom Oct 2013 #313

Quite the strech there. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #318

If you don't care what others think, why post on a DISCUSSION board? Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #400

LOL, so "I abused my kids and they turned out ok, so that means abusing kids is good". Brilliant! nt Logical Oct 2013 #421

No, but you're going to believe what you want to belive. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #470

You have made quite an impression here. Congrats! n-t Logical Oct 2013 #472

Thank you. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #475

He ought to change his name. MattBaggins Oct 2013 #277

This message was self-deleted by its author Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #286

I was referring to someone else not you MattBaggins Oct 2013 #295

My apologies and will delete. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #298

Wow, original. n-t Logical Oct 2013 #473

+1, n/t RKP5637 Oct 2013 #433

Too many parents are NOT capable of knowing what's best for their children pnwmom Oct 2013 #241

There is a big difference between hitting fitman Oct 2013 #67

some parents need their butts kicked- those that "whip their kids" cali Oct 2013 #108

Some parents need to go to jail. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #242

look what we have since the no padling movement fitman Oct 2013 #508

Kids are no more out of control in states without school paddling, pnwmom Oct 2013 #528

Some parents need their kids taken away MattBaggins Oct 2013 #284

Those are the words I've been looking for. Inept parents. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #403

No, actually, they don't. Parents need to stop being lazy and violent and learn Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #401

My parents were not lazy or violent fitman Oct 2013 #509

You don't know your history. This is not some unprecedented time period Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #513

It's almost 7 o'clock in the morning where I am fitman Oct 2013 #515

Sorry... 3:30 in the afternoon here... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #520

LOL, you 90 years old? n-t Logical Oct 2013 #422

no, 51 fitman Oct 2013 #510

LOL, ok. n-t Logical Oct 2013 #529

The vast majority of doctors think drinking bleach is bad for you MattBaggins Oct 2013 #275

So I bet you feel pretty tough when using that belt. Sort of enjoy it. n-t Logical Oct 2013 #420

Striking another individual, particularly with an object is assault MattBaggins Oct 2013 #273

A belt was used on me on occasion fitman Oct 2013 #66

Is half-naked paddling of a 12 year old okay? n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #240

I was never paddled half naked fitman Oct 2013 #511

Your parents had other methods available for disciplining you pnwmom Oct 2013 #527

"I turned out great.." RedCappedBandit Oct 2013 #384

That's what you think. But then you were abused as a child, so maybe Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #404

LOL, so if you were sexually assaulted and turned out OK then you would think that was OK also? n-t Logical Oct 2013 #423

I can't wait til your kids are old enough to call child protective services and have you arrested. whathehell Oct 2013 #63

You use a fucking belt on your children? bunnies Oct 2013 #80

delete. wrong place. nt bunnies Oct 2013 #82

sick stuff. cali Oct 2013 #86

People bragging about beating their children. bunnies Oct 2013 #88

And so glad it's not going unanswered. gtar100 Oct 2013 #120

My mother was the same way. bunnies Oct 2013 #132

I am so sorry you had to endure that gopiscrap Oct 2013 #145

It must have been horrible to lose your Dad at that age. bunnies Oct 2013 #164

Wow that's horrible gopiscrap Oct 2013 #167

You wound up being a social worker? bunnies Oct 2013 #183

Glad you feel light....yeah I was a social worker for 8 years and then burned gopiscrap Oct 2013 #187

omg! bunnies Oct 2013 #197

They are a lot more sensitive here in WA state because they have gopiscrap Oct 2013 #204

NH. nt bunnies Oct 2013 #217

BTW I was on the NH seacoast a couple years ago gopiscrap Oct 2013 #208

I live about smack in between Boston and Portland. :) bunnies Oct 2013 #216

No, I found everyone to be warm and friendly gopiscrap Oct 2013 #220

lol. You can HAVE the snow. bunnies Oct 2013 #228

OMG even two inches oif snow in a night is a huge thing here in Tacoma WA gopiscrap Oct 2013 #230

lmao! bunnies Oct 2013 #234

I love thunderstorms also gopiscrap Oct 2013 #237

Bhahaaaaa!!! pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #469

I was in Buffalo during the blizzard of '77 gopiscrap Oct 2013 #483

D: That was bad! pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #535

I loved it I was on a national singing tour with four others we were all 19-23 gopiscrap Oct 2013 #536

That does sound fun! pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #537

It looks like I'm not the only one OwnedByCats Oct 2013 #542

So called "fathers" who do "special" things to their children, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #174

Thanks. bunnies Oct 2013 #188

Unfortunately, the statues of limitation have probably expired, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #193

I definitely regret not sicking the cops on him. bunnies Oct 2013 #209

If you ever do run into him again, hope you don't, but if you do, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #214

A swift kick or two. bunnies Oct 2013 #219

Thanks you for the hug! gtar100 Oct 2013 #182

I had similar experiences. cali Oct 2013 #201

Seems you and I have much in common. bunnies Oct 2013 #221

And the real stupidity is that many of those parents expect pnwmom Oct 2013 #390

But, you know, many of the kids will. The parents screwed up badly, but Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #414

Some of them will. And some of them will go on to abuse their own kids pnwmom Oct 2013 #425

Most will go on to abuse their own kids. See my other posts Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #430

Thanks, Dark n Stormy. pnwmom Oct 2013 #432

I'm not surprised. A few of the loudest defenders of hitting kids on this thread Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #440

Yep. bunnies Oct 2013 #450

Thank you for sharing that. Some children cope with the trauma by Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #405

Yep and some are whining about the jury results but I sure don't care kcr Oct 2013 #463

I've noticed he likes to post provocative stuff like that to get people riled up. Skeeter Barnes Oct 2013 #369

not only do I use a belt Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #434

Your attempts at humor are as lame as your parenting skills. You Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #502

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #140

welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #142

She's twelve years old. No excuse for this lazy, out of control mother.n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #148

It's abuse. Read the science and see how you've deluded yourself. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #391

... they fit the profile of an abusive parent, and then brag about it! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2013 #445

Pathetic. Funny, so many of them with such low post counts, too. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #448

"visible bruises" WTF we can't agree on that as fulfilling the abuse criteria? elehhhhna Oct 2013 #361

Does your boss hit you with a wooden spoon? Brickbat Oct 2013 #51

So a parent child relationship is equal to a manager employee relationship? former9thward Oct 2013 #71

It's worse laundry_queen Oct 2013 #178

Why shouldn't adults hit each other to show their disapproval or for performance issues? Brickbat Oct 2013 #229

You wouldn't get an alert from me because I don't alert anyone. former9thward Oct 2013 #291

Yes but it's purely concentual. n/t leeroysphitz Oct 2013 #77

You can tell the parents who use corporal punishment correctly Android3.14 Oct 2013 #57

only haD to only use it one on one child and twice on the other. Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #61

baloney. codswallop. NEVER hit my kid cali Oct 2013 #64

I swatted my kid once on the diaper enlightenment Oct 2013 #72

It takes a brave parent to admit they were wrong rather than justify their Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #407

She's associating with gang members fletchthedubs Oct 2013 #75

Yeah. Because beating a child is a GREAT way to get them to act how you want. bunnies Oct 2013 #95

Exactly. But, these people will continue to justify their poor parenting to Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #408

Perhaps the beatings are why the other family (the gang) looks appealing? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #121

The wooden spoon doesn't keep the gang activity from happening gollygee Oct 2013 #339

Clearly the solution to gangs is violence RedCappedBandit Oct 2013 #385

I will give your opinion the thought it deserves Android3.14 Oct 2013 #253

Well, since you are a parent who isn't smart enough to figure out how Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #409

My kids were wonderful kids and are wonderful adults and I never hit them. pnwmom Oct 2013 #153

That's basically it. Lazy ass parenting. laundry_queen Oct 2013 #190

Awesome post. Absolutely everything the bragging hitters here refuse to see. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #415

Excellent post! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2013 #449

Very well put! We won't change the minds of these parents who Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #412

I'm calling bullshit MattBaggins Oct 2013 #290

No. There are other ways and parents need to learn about them and use them. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #406

if someone were to physically assault you with this spoon MattBaggins Oct 2013 #271

wow... really CPS?! They have resources to go after cases like this vs OVERT real abuse?! uponit7771 Oct 2013 #2

this IS child abuse. period. hitting anyone but your own child with an object cali Oct 2013 #3

Article reads it was her daughter and "left visible bruises" is VERY VERY subjective. I'd err on the uponit7771 Oct 2013 #4

huh? what the heck do you mean that is was "VERY VERY subjective"? cali Oct 2013 #6

Cali, I'm just going to follow you around in this thread laundry_queen Oct 2013 #191

it's completely pukeworthy to see this much callousness and ignorance cali Oct 2013 #285

I'm stunned by the responses to your posting. What a bunch of jerks are climbing out RKP5637 Oct 2013 #464

pretty discouraging to see so much of it on DU cali Oct 2013 #499

The court documents said more. pnwmom Oct 2013 #243

True, but respectfully, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #248

Courts have been wrong before and they'll be wrong again. pnwmom Oct 2013 #249

Oh believe me, I'm not justifying what these parents did, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #251

In NY if you use an object MattBaggins Oct 2013 #293

I don't live in NY, and I certainly don't condone what happened to this girl, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #303

It is abuse. The State of NY recognizes it as such. MattBaggins Oct 2013 #305

As I said, I don't live in NY Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #312

OK, suppose we pretend it isn't abuse. It's still wrong. As LaundryQueen said: Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #416

Respectfully... Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #413

In NY if you strike a child and CPS finds out, you will go to court MattBaggins Oct 2013 #292

I agree. It doesn't seem like much at first glance but leaving bruises with any object is over the.. BlueJazz Oct 2013 #5

My mom spanked me with a peachtree switch. moriah Oct 2013 #8

Was it child abuse, you ask? Yes, in my book it is. cali Oct 2013 #14

"accidentally harming me" trumad Oct 2013 #41

Seriously, what she did shows the real problem with spanking to me. moriah Oct 2013 #43

I chuckled because if she's hitting you trumad Oct 2013 #44

So what you are saying... Brickbat Oct 2013 #54

If the only punishment matching what they *did* was to spank.... moriah Oct 2013 #59

So you'd hit someone after calm, rational thought to show her that hitting is wrong. Brickbat Oct 2013 #225

Oh, I see, so you hit them because hitting is wrong. Genius. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #417

I get your point, but it'd be more to teach them *why* it's wrong. moriah Oct 2013 #471

Everyone who hits thinks they have a good excuse for using hitting to teach a child Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #497

I think a parent would almost have to be a sadist pnwmom Oct 2013 #260

Did your mom know or did she not know about your skin condition? Jamastiene Oct 2013 #70

She had never spanked me before. Even with her bare hand. moriah Oct 2013 #130

But the hives would have jumped out with one swat! pnwmom Oct 2013 #347

They take a minute to develop (about exactly that, actually) but .... moriah Oct 2013 #351

A minute? I could "draw" hives on my skin with my nail pnwmom Oct 2013 #352

Ahh, your skin shows dermatographia too? moriah Oct 2013 #357

I did until about ten years ago. The first time it happened pnwmom Oct 2013 #360

Or a biopsy; a biopsy is the best way to check for celiac disease REP Oct 2013 #439

Right. A biopsy is the gold standard for Celiac disease. pnwmom Oct 2013 #453

yes. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #124

You poor girl that must have hurt gopiscrap Oct 2013 #154

Really, not worse than walking through a bad patch of brush nekkid... ;) moriah Oct 2013 #364

Yeah no kidding, you seem to have a good sense of humor gopiscrap Oct 2013 #376

the end of your post is funny, gopiscrap Oct 2013 #157

She made you bleed. This was child abuse. pnwmom Oct 2013 #244

Yes MattBaggins Oct 2013 #294

Apparently the court disagrees with you and everyone else here Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #69

fine. but the vast majority of experts agree with me. cali Oct 2013 #84

As I said, we all have our own opinion and mine is different than yours Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #91

oh really and is it our business if a child is put in the hospital because of said "discipline"? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #129

What business is it of society if someone hits their wife? MattBaggins Oct 2013 #297

You send your abused children out into our world, so it is our business. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #419

Wow this thread sure struck a nerve gopiscrap Oct 2013 #173

Like you, I see alot of actual child abuse in the course of my job. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #177

My experience sad to say, is that most of the time the State intervened too late gopiscrap Oct 2013 #180

Can't fault your thought process there. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #185

I agree. I live in a very military area and in 1989 I was the chair of the city initiative in gopiscrap Oct 2013 #192

Apparently the court is STUPID. The girl clearly described abuse. pnwmom Oct 2013 #245

you are correct about the bruises but wrong about the hitting itself being considered assault arely staircase Oct 2013 #236

They BETTER go after cases like this. pnwmom Oct 2013 #199

Hard to believe the court didn't see this as child abuse! We B Calm Oct 2013 #7

You posted this article without comment oberliner Oct 2013 #9

If you read my comments in this thread, you'd know I strongly disagree. cali Oct 2013 #13

The negative effects on children include increased aggression aggression and noncompliance-- Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #12

+1 LiberalLoner Oct 2013 #38

Oh, great. Here come the stories. Paladin Oct 2013 #16

Right or not, in my state, it's legal. moriah Oct 2013 #25

Ease off a little, OK? Paladin Oct 2013 #30

Did I say you were raising your kids wrong? moriah Oct 2013 #31

Sorry if I overreacted. Paladin Oct 2013 #65

Hey Moriah, you sound pretty cool...I wouldn't worry about what others are saying! gopiscrap Oct 2013 #162

I use to get beat with a shoe RandiFan1290 Oct 2013 #17

I think hitting children to discipline them is lazy and sick. cali Oct 2013 #18

in the case of this child Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #52

Yes. And, as a bonus, not sexually abusive. nt pnwmom Oct 2013 #250

You deserved to have your mom act violently toward you so she could get frustrations out? Brickbat Oct 2013 #53

Glad to hear it... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #20

right. leaving bruise on a kid from hitting them, doesn't qualify as cali Oct 2013 #22

Cali, I rarely agree with you but in this case you are not only right... Walk away Oct 2013 #27

I'm surprised by many of the posts endorsing this. cali Oct 2013 #29

They are in denial laundry_queen Oct 2013 #206

Sorry, I don't mean to stalk you, but, well said. This goes for Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #424

I think that those who feel corporal punishment is fine should take a long, hard look at how Happyhippychick Oct 2013 #32

While I don't say it's "fine"... I think my mother.... moriah Oct 2013 #48

I love your thoughtful answer! Happyhippychick Oct 2013 #56

I mentioned my story because it was truly a one-time abberation in Mom's childrearing. moriah Oct 2013 #137

I agree with you about the jail part. In the case you describe, since it never happened Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #426

I do think CPS has a lot worse cases to deal with than a 12-year-old who was spanked. moriah Oct 2013 #442

I'm sure they do, but this case looks like abuse to me. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #444

Children are not for hitting Brainstormy Oct 2013 #33

It's a vicious cycle kcr Oct 2013 #34

If you are reduced to striking a child Le Taz Hot Oct 2013 #35

Declaring it doesn't make it so... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #50

No but studies show that it is so. nt laundry_queen Oct 2013 #207

I would be very interested to see the study that proves a subjective opinion... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #246

Really? laundry_queen Oct 2013 #268

I am just fascinated... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #465

Wrong. laundry_queen Oct 2013 #477

You have very low standard for successful and functioning... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #480

I DO judge people who think hitting a child is acceptable. laundry_queen Oct 2013 #481

I don't demand that everyone hold the exact same beliefs... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #484

I don't (can't) head bob so no, probably not as amusing. laundry_queen Oct 2013 #489

The final cry of someone with nothing to say... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #490

LOL coming from you. And your 'beliefs'. laundry_queen Oct 2013 #491

It's adorable... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #492

So basically you don't believe in psychology. Ok. nt laundry_queen Oct 2013 #494

Double points for making stuff up... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #495

No one is demanding everyone have the exact same beliefs. Eat Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #504

Congratulations... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #505

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #507

You're the one with the narrow view. Studies of large groups of children Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #501

Sure, because you can tell from the outside if someone is free of Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #500

You seem fussy... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #503

My "opinion" is backed by those who have studied the issue on a large scale. Yours in based Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #506

As stated elsewhere in the thread... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #512

If you need to hit your children to teach them something you are a failure MattBaggins Oct 2013 #301

I see you come here just to defend terrible parenting. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #429

No, it's not the declaring it wrong that makes it so, it's the fact that it is wrong. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #514

It seems to drive you crazy.... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #517

Personally, I have never hit a child and think that other punishments are more effective, but charmay Oct 2013 #37

I disagree. PotatoChip Oct 2013 #171

Using the HuffPo as a legal source makes you seem uninformed when they incorrectly report a verdict. msanthrope Oct 2013 #39

Still fucking child abuse. trumad Oct 2013 #42

Perhaps. And I am not commenting morally, but legally. The state must and should take into account msanthrope Oct 2013 #46

fair enough- though I hope you point this out in every single story cali Oct 2013 #45

When I come across sloppy legal reporting, I absolutely comment on it. It's what I do. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #47

The Court erred in considering it possible that the parent's behavior pnwmom Oct 2013 #254

Your own link disproves you--- msanthrope Oct 2013 #324

Are you seriously saying that a child who has said that she's afraid pnwmom Oct 2013 #326

I don't think that child's afraid of her parents. And I don't think she made any statement in the msanthrope Oct 2013 #362

So you don't believe this girl when she said that she was afraid of them? pnwmom Oct 2013 #363

I don't believe the social worker. Neither did the court, it seems. And I think it's sloppy msanthrope Oct 2013 #371

That is her recantation of her statement to the social worker. pnwmom Oct 2013 #378

Um, no--she didn't make a sworn statement to the social worker. Nor could the social worker msanthrope Oct 2013 #382

WHAT KIND OF SOCIAL WORKER ASKS VICTIMS TO MAKE SWORN STATEMENTS? pnwmom Oct 2013 #383

You know, I'm really not sure why you have a problem with the remand on this case. Nor am msanthrope Oct 2013 #410

I'm yelling because this is such a serious issue and you don't get it. pnwmom Oct 2013 #431

Judges don't imply. They rule. And the appellate court made no determination of what is reasonable msanthrope Oct 2013 #438

I have 3 kids---20---19---16 trumad Oct 2013 #40

Reading through this thread... bunnies Oct 2013 #139

I can't believe the one who wants to make their kids wait in anticipation. kcr Oct 2013 #161

I know, right? bunnies Oct 2013 #168

Those bible based how to train up your child by abusing them books kcr Oct 2013 #172

I totally agree with every word of what you just said. nt laundry_queen Oct 2013 #211

Agreed. Just like the "God hates fags" assholes think they are doing right by god. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #436

The diminishing and normalization of violence in this thread is disgusting. Brickbat Oct 2013 #55

+1 cali Oct 2013 #58

Odd that the only people it is still legal to use physical assault against are the weakest. alphafemale Oct 2013 #60

Isn't that the sickest part of it? MattBaggins Oct 2013 #304

Seriously sick. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #441

Take away the cell phone! Its abuse/violence to hit others and criminal abuse when there are bruises Sunlei Oct 2013 #62

My mother used a small branch from a tree to strike me. former9thward Oct 2013 #73

in your opinion. most experts disagree with you. cali Oct 2013 #74

Yes it was MattBaggins Oct 2013 #306

If you lived in my state it would be. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #350

Looking at your profile I assume you live in WA. former9thward Oct 2013 #355

This girl had contusions that were still making her sore pnwmom Oct 2013 #374

I only described my experience. former9thward Oct 2013 #380

A lot of totally fucked up shit is "allowed." In case you were using that Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #446

As usual you are trying to put words in my mouth. former9thward Oct 2013 #526

Maybe, maybe not. It was still a lazy, lame way to parent. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #443

I turned out fine. former9thward Oct 2013 #524

Well, it might end up like this: jsr Oct 2013 #76

This ruling is simple common sense and right thinking parents will agree with it. leeroysphitz Oct 2013 #78

more like lazy, stupid parents agree with it. Parents who hit their children cali Oct 2013 #79

LOL. Your buttons are so easy to push... leeroysphitz Oct 2013 #81

You think discussing abuse is a LOL issue? MattBaggins Oct 2013 #308

That's all you got? The humor police tactic. Very original. leeroysphitz Oct 2013 #395

I hope you're not a parent and never will be one. nt pnwmom Oct 2013 #348

That's your opinion and your opinion only, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #83

nope. it's the opinion of the vast majority of experts. sorry, pal. cali Oct 2013 #87

"Experts" Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #92

tough guy! trumad Oct 2013 #94

You have no idea. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #97

yeah... trumad Oct 2013 #100

Oh, don't worry. He will. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #447

LOL Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #474

Well, then you're just hilarious, dude. Bragging that you bring others Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #496

LOL. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #523

Just in case you missed it: Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #451

yes. child psychologists, child rearing experts cali Oct 2013 #98

cali you are waisting your fucking time trumad Oct 2013 #102

you are right. (how often do I say that?) cali Oct 2013 #105

makes me sick trumad Oct 2013 #110

One more time, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #114

they aren't so-called "experts". they are experts. period. cali Oct 2013 #117

That's your opinion they're experts, mine opinion is different. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #122

no. wrong again. critical thinking is clearly not your strong suit cali Oct 2013 #125

these people spank their kids cause they see them as property... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #133

Really excellent point! Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #454

You know who can act all "Look how calm I'm being, so that makes Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #452

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Most grow up to cause havoc on the internet in libraries. William769 Oct 2013 #150

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Internet tough guy? Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #259

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Can't help yourself? hrmjustin Oct 2013 #265

I love it Bill. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #262

You got that one nailed. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #418

I'll just say to you what I've said to the others, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #152

And some opinions are worth more than others laundry_queen Oct 2013 #213

Opinons are opinions, nothing more, nothing less. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #218

LOL. Okay. nt laundry_queen Oct 2013 #223

I'm happy that we've come to an agreement. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #227

Well, mine had snark intended. laundry_queen Oct 2013 #235

As are you. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #238

The difference is I have no need to build up my post count. nt laundry_queen Oct 2013 #299

Post count? Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #309

Yeah right. If a gas station attendant has the opinion that Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #456

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millions? Whatever gets you through the night bra.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #131

right thinking MattBaggins Oct 2013 #307

Right thinking parents will immediately recognize it as sexual abuse pnwmom Oct 2013 #320

So now spanking is rape? I should have seen it coming, I guess. leeroysphitz Oct 2013 #327

Fifty shades of gray type discipline is sexual abuse, pnwmom Oct 2013 #329

Sorry I hadn't realized they had blind-folded and hand-cuffed thier victim. leeroysphitz Oct 2013 #332

Forcing your naked 12 yr. old, or even your half-naked 12 yr. old pnwmom Oct 2013 #340

Save yourself a headache MattBaggins Oct 2013 #375

Why should you have seen it coming, exactly. Too much Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #458

What the fuck?! bunnies Oct 2013 #85

sick as well as sickening that people on DU happily endorse hitting children with cali Oct 2013 #89

You got that right. bunnies Oct 2013 #90

I think you nailed it - TBF Oct 2013 #116

That would be nice. Then again, i guess it's good to know Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #459

Spanking a child with anything with enough force to leave visible bruises is child abuse nt arely staircase Oct 2013 #103

Bruises are bruises. TroglodyteScholar Oct 2013 #106

Wood spoon? Sickening. cvoogt Oct 2013 #109

It's a good way to teach impulse control/self-control jsr Oct 2013 #128

Not only is it abuse, it misses a chance to create maturity and self-regulation. nolabear Oct 2013 #118

long winded? Not in the least! what a great, great post. thanks. cali Oct 2013 #119

*Whew!* I've been here too long. I was bracing for, well, a verbal whuppin'. nolabear Oct 2013 #123

I'm so glad you did hit that button cali Oct 2013 #127

+1 leftstreet Oct 2013 #135

You are teaching while disciplining chowder66 Oct 2013 #176

Exactly. And thanks. The amazing moments were bountiful, so it balanced out! nolabear Oct 2013 #195

You're welcome and thanks chowder66 Oct 2013 #202

Maybe a bit but their dad is just a great guy. nolabear Oct 2013 #274

Excellent post laundry_queen Oct 2013 #222

Amen. I'm glad you've held out. The reward is good! nolabear Oct 2013 #281

Thank you. You win the thread - by a mile. Celefin Oct 2013 #231

I know. I smacked a diapered bottom once too. I hate that. nolabear Oct 2013 #280

Excellent post! Thank you. (nt) PotatoChip Oct 2013 #256

... nolabear Oct 2013 #283

Superb post. Of course, for the child beaters here it will be Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #460

I always heard the advice that you should never spank a child in anger. Laffy Kat Oct 2013 #126

So it can be called "discipline" when done to one's own child but it's assault in all other cases. gtar100 Oct 2013 #134

+1 gollygee Oct 2013 #138

I don't think that putting the child in foster care would have been better. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #136

The girl wanted to stay with her grandparents. pnwmom Oct 2013 #165

Have you considered that the grandparents were probably ok with the spanking? missingthebigdog Oct 2013 #530

I"m listening to the girl, who said the grandmother wasn't scary pnwmom Oct 2013 #532

There is no "Hysteria Brigade." Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #462

bullshit - HITTING A CHILD mzteris Oct 2013 #156

What the girl described was a form of SEXUAL ABUSE pnwmom Oct 2013 #160

you are so right. it is sexual abuse as well as physical abuse. cali Oct 2013 #169

cali, it would be interesting to see, pnwmom Oct 2013 #181

that would be interesting. I strongly suspect that people here would be reacting cali Oct 2013 #196

So . . . would you mind adding the info? n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #200

not at all. I think it's a little late for it, but what the hey. cali Oct 2013 #203

Thanks! You're on the greatest page now, so there will probably be pnwmom Oct 2013 #210

In these days of high tech wizardry, simply depriving them of it is significant punishment. roamer65 Oct 2013 #163

New title: Paddling half-naked 12 year old is not child abuse, says State Court pnwmom Oct 2013 #184

Ugh. mzmolly Oct 2013 #186

A poem by African-American poet Robert Hayden (1913-1980) tblue37 Oct 2013 #194

Thanks! n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #212

My dad spanked me once with a wooden spoon and left a red mark on my butt. dkf Oct 2013 #215

Was your dad sexually abusive, too? I suspect not. pnwmom Oct 2013 #233

how come i knew before i even opened this thread there'd be some assholes defending it. KG Oct 2013 #224

Because that's the way these threads go... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #232

If you have to spank your kid FrodosPet Oct 2013 #226

Whooo-boy!!! Iggo Oct 2013 #239

My folks chased me down the sidewalk with a bamboo switch in hand. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2013 #252

It sounds like you have a terrible childhood, with at least one parent pnwmom Oct 2013 #258

Im sorry you had to go through that... darkangel218 Oct 2013 #266

Thank you. Part of the hoarding dynamic is extreme social isolation. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2013 #288

You need to break away from that. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #302

You are a survivor. pnwmom Oct 2013 #323

Thank you!! Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2013 #338

What a horrible childhood gopiscrap Oct 2013 #388

Your story made me cry Hippo_Tron Oct 2013 #359

Well, not really. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2013 #479

While abuse really does depend on the intent *and* the extent of the injuries....I can say this: AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #257

my oldest sister put it quite well once.... ejpoeta Oct 2013 #263

Show me an adult who was repeatedly hit as a child pnwmom Oct 2013 #289

There is never an excuse for hitting a child! darkangel218 Oct 2013 #267

oh goody Kate Gosselin sad-cafe Oct 2013 #269

She crossed my mind when I read this too laundry_queen Oct 2013 #272

This seems to be a clear case of child abuse to me. PeteSelman Oct 2013 #270

And some on here think thats fine. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #276

It's pretty sad. PeteSelman Oct 2013 #311

Thats aside fron scaring them for life. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #314

That's true. PeteSelman Oct 2013 #317

I was beaten with a belt as a kid as were my sisters for really doing nothing wrong. I have RKP5637 Oct 2013 #287

Thats exactly what ive been saying, RKP! darkangel218 Oct 2013 #315

... RKP5637 Oct 2013 #427

Been there. Still get mad thinking about it to this day. You are not alone. Skeeter Barnes Oct 2013 #377

Here's a dialogue I have w/ students (seniors): Nevernose Oct 2013 #300

You sound like a wonderful, even inspirational, teacher. pnwmom Oct 2013 #345

Your post made me smile. Those kids are very lucky to have you. nt laundry_queen Oct 2013 #368

Does this mean you can bruise a child as long as bruising was not "your intent"? Under that line appleannie1 Oct 2013 #319

My adult children tell me the worse thing I ever did to them was make them sit together in a chair, appleannie1 Oct 2013 #321

Corporal punishment is not prevented in schools in many states, either. kwassa Oct 2013 #333

And that is part of the problem, I agree. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #341

I would pull my kids out of a school that practiced corporal punishment on them gopiscrap Oct 2013 #346

In earlier generations it probably happened in most schools. pnwmom Oct 2013 #349

It hapened to me all the time gopiscrap Oct 2013 #353

I don't blame you for hating that school. Of course you did. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #386

Once I go to my foster home and was put into a gopiscrap Oct 2013 #389

Parents, if what you're doing to your child in the name of "discipline" could be a scene pnwmom Oct 2013 #343

Spanking a 12 year old is fucking ridiculous, wooden spoon or no wooden spoon Hippo_Tron Oct 2013 #356

agreed about the 12 year old nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #367

spanking is just a bad idea, period steve2470 Oct 2013 #366

In New York, hitting a child with a wooden spoon was child abuse when I was an investigator. In_The_Wind Oct 2013 #372

Let's face it, a child is an easy target for pent up anger, possibly spanning a lifetime. MoonRiver Oct 2013 #379

My mom dragged me to the bathroom and washed out my mouth LittleBlue Oct 2013 #381

Are you saying that the court got it right when they said pnwmom Oct 2013 #387

I don't agree with corporal punishment personally LittleBlue Oct 2013 #392

But that isn't what the court said. Not even close. Incorrectly stating what the court msanthrope Oct 2013 #411

What the court said, according to you: pnwmom Oct 2013 #428

No--that's not even close to the "logical inference." The appellate court isn't saying what is msanthrope Oct 2013 #435

I'm pretty liberal and my wife is uber liberal... Buddyblazon Oct 2013 #455

So much wrong with your post kcr Oct 2013 #457

No.. Buddyblazon Oct 2013 #466

Listen to yourself. laundry_queen Oct 2013 #478

Where'd they did they learn that? Buddyblazon Oct 2013 #482

You hit a child you're a fucking coward. trumad Oct 2013 #522

Spanking and beating a child are not the same thing... Buddyblazon Oct 2013 #531

You hit a child---you're a fucking coward. trumad Oct 2013 #533

Well good... trumad Oct 2013 #521

Where did I ever say smacking around a kid was okay? Buddyblazon Oct 2013 #538

you hit a kid you're a coward. trumad Oct 2013 #541

You know I've been thinking about.. Buddyblazon Oct 2013 #543

I live how folks gussy up the word spanking... trumad Oct 2013 #544

Yeah yeah yeah... Buddyblazon Oct 2013 #545

Again-- trumad Oct 2013 #546

Don't turn a question into a question... Buddyblazon Oct 2013 #547

The question I asked becomes the answer if you answer it honestly trumad Oct 2013 #548

Actually...no ... Buddyblazon Oct 2013 #549

So kcr Oct 2013 #534

Because they're screaming for discipline. Buddyblazon Oct 2013 #539

My stepfather never hit me, but my stepmother DID DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #461

i thought it was the norm MFM008 Oct 2013 #476

I so feel like self-deleting this shit thread. sorry I posted it. cali Oct 2013 #516

I remember I got marks from a spanking from my uncle JonLP24 Oct 2013 #540