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111. The repubs passed a bill to fund the government

Sun Oct 13, 2013, 08:21 PM

Oct 2013

It had other stuff in it (as is often the case) that the Democrats rightly objected to, not because it was illegal,but because they believed (and I wholeheartedly agree) that they were bad policy. But it would be impossible to prove that the repubs did anything illegal since they are not under any legal obligation to pass the Senate's version of a CR, just as the Democrats are not legally obligated to pass the repubs version and the President is not legally obligated to sign a CR, even one passed by both houses, if he/she doesn't agree with it.

I've pointed out that President Clinton actually vetoed a debt ceiling extension. He also vetoed a CR that would have prevented a government shutdown. I think those actions by President Clinton not only were legal, but the right policy and strategy. You, apparently, think he committed criminal acts.

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Eric Cantor Given Total Control Of House In LATE NIGHT RULE CHANGE By GOP [View all] Segami Oct 2013 OP

Ignored by the media. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #1

Oh,...you must be referring to the "Facts-Not-My-Job" Media?.. Segami Oct 2013 #5

Button: "Press My Pants"! NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #6

LOL! Segami Oct 2013 #7

so to my blue jeans..... marble falls Oct 2013 #34

Or that they even know what the House is doing. nt tsuki Oct 2013 #42

Wow, JimboBillyBubbaBob Oct 2013 #52

Speaking of Stooges... secondvariety Oct 2013 #55

bury him in emails, the fucker. roguevalley Oct 2013 #51

Seriously, you have a great idea dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 #56

So far just Think Progress and Huffpo covered it (in addition to Addictinginfo) progressoid Oct 2013 #117

Anyone who says the rethugs *didn't* want the govt shutdown is an idiot meadowlark5 Oct 2013 #2

Republicans really show real life examples of classic villains AZ Progressive Oct 2013 #12

"...audacity and cunning..."(not cunningness, fyi) carla Oct 2013 #40

No words.....just this..... SammyWinstonJack Oct 2013 #71

No wonder Boehner is out there twisting in the wind: truebluegreen Oct 2013 #3

Actually, I suspect this is the opposite. Boehner is too happy to be able to put the blame on Cantor Mass Oct 2013 #10

How did that rule change come about? nt rdharma Oct 2013 #4

H.Res. 368 Incitatus Oct 2013 #23

Very interesting - especially the 7 "Democrats" who voted FOR HRes 368. MH1 Oct 2013 #28

Yes, I wonder what that was about. Incitatus Oct 2013 #29

Here's a list of the Democratic Reps who voted "yea"...... rdharma Oct 2013 #35

Get them a primary oponent gopiscrap Oct 2013 #38

Agreed..... All DINOs except for Daniel Maffei NY24th..... rdharma Oct 2013 #43

yeah I wondering about that also. gopiscrap Oct 2013 #44

When your opponent is drowning, hand him an anvil. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #113

Voting mostly along party lines with a few Democratic traitors...... rdharma Oct 2013 #30

So does this mean that we are headed to default unless Obama blinks? AZ Progressive Oct 2013 #8

I am sure he has set himself up to profit from it as well, just like last time corkhead Oct 2013 #17

So what can be done to overturn this? Fawke Em Oct 2013 #9

Beat the hell out of Boehner, Cantor, and Cruz Buddha_of_Wisdom Oct 2013 #16

... corkhead Oct 2013 #18

Buddha and Cork... I like both your suggestions. Fawke Em Oct 2013 #46

More Democrats should be calling them out on this! Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2013 #11

That is a illegal move.... every Republican who got involved in this shutdown should be Buddha_of_Wisdom Oct 2013 #13

+ 300000000000000000000000000 !!! russspeakeasy Oct 2013 #20

And double that! maddiemom Oct 2013 #36

what law was broken? onenote Oct 2013 #68

No they did not. Buddha_of_Wisdom Oct 2013 #74

From post above this was voted on by the entire house ... GeorgeGist Oct 2013 #77

Huh? Buddha_of_Wisdom Oct 2013 #78

You don't have the slightest clue about House procedure do you? onenote Oct 2013 #86

Fine, but they still broke the law. The House Republicans are still engaging in RICO activities... Buddha_of_Wisdom Oct 2013 #87

And I'll ask again: what law did the House break onenote Oct 2013 #90

Ahem. RICO. Buddha_of_Wisdom Oct 2013 #91

Ahem. Constitution. onenote Oct 2013 #97

By the way, care to explain how RICO would be applicable? onenote Oct 2013 #101

Shutting down and threatening to default. Buddha_of_Wisdom Oct 2013 #103

THere has to be a predicate criminal act. onenote Oct 2013 #106

It IS a crime to shut down the government, racking up the bills... Buddha_of_Wisdom Oct 2013 #108

The repubs passed a bill to fund the government onenote Oct 2013 #111

Did it occur to you that only one man controls the government right now Buddha_of_Wisdom Oct 2013 #123

Yes it is illegal, and I am glad almost everyone here has seen this post Stuart G Oct 2013 #122

Is he the Robespierre of the Tea Party Revolution? jsr Oct 2013 #14

This is way bigger than defunding the ACA. We are witnessing a criminal coup right before our eyes corkhead Oct 2013 #15

Yes, but with this one, and its publicity, all will know.. Stuart G Oct 2013 #59

So they packed the rules committee and did a late night rule change. Lars39 Oct 2013 #19

And fucked the Government Buddha_of_Wisdom Oct 2013 #22

I'd also add those in the Rules Committee who voted for this mess. Lars39 Oct 2013 #25

The Rule was approved by a vote of the entire House onenote Oct 2013 #69

The *entire* House? Lars39 Oct 2013 #72

It certainly wasn't a secret onenote Oct 2013 #79

Ah, ok. Thanks for the explanation. Lars39 Oct 2013 #95

You're always taking up for these guys, onenote. Th1onein Oct 2013 #82

Because running around misstating the facts and law doesn't do us any good onenote Oct 2013 #93

I understand that you have to correct something that is wrong, but it seems like you are always on Th1onein Oct 2013 #96

You've studied my 20,000 plus posts? onenote Oct 2013 #98

and they fucked every democrat and independent in this country...nt Stuart G Oct 2013 #65

can house rules be changed in the middle of the session - all this talk about the Senate changing Justice Oct 2013 #21

Can the Rules Committe be gutted and others appointed? Lars39 Oct 2013 #26

Much misunderstanding of the process here onenote Oct 2013 #73

Thanks for fighting the good fight on this one. Laelth Oct 2013 #84

I'd like to ask for your credentials. grasswire Oct 2013 #102

Thirty years of legislative practice in DC onenote Oct 2013 #107

Sorry, we're gonna need your long-form birth certificate, too pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #112

LOL! onenote Oct 2013 #114

Haha... cui bono Oct 2013 #118

thank you grasswire Oct 2013 #115

Former Democratic staffer. But I've worked with folks on both sides of the aisle. onenote Oct 2013 #116

Van Hollen is a meticulous, careful person who does the research LiberalEsto Oct 2013 #24

hanging with the GOP in the hours leading up to the government shut down must have arely staircase Oct 2013 #27

What this rule change means is there are no checks and balances. wundermaus Oct 2013 #31

Which is why Holder needs to be told that these two gentlemen and the House Rules Committee Buddha_of_Wisdom Oct 2013 #32

Yeah, we got it, RICO. n/t leeroysphitz Oct 2013 #41

This is why you really need to get a copy of the Constitution. onenote Oct 2013 #80

Ever heard of checks and balances. Buddha_of_Wisdom Oct 2013 #85

There absolutely was a vote of the entire House to adopt the H.Res. 368 onenote Oct 2013 #88

I said fine. I said maybe you're right. Buddha_of_Wisdom Oct 2013 #89

So RICO overrides the Constitution? onenote Oct 2013 #94

Is it really possible to stop these people? pangaia Oct 2013 #33

Republicon OCCULTISM at work again Berlum Oct 2013 #37

Nice angle considering they use the techniques of the mythical Satan. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #45

When you systematically hide what you are doing from the public, that's OCCULT Berlum Oct 2013 #50

If one reads the bible enough, one would find LOTS of behavior parallels with Satan and Republicans AZ Progressive Oct 2013 #61

I play the end of "Needful Things". Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #64

I hope Alan Grayson is aware of this. nt grasswire Oct 2013 #39

I'm sure he is. onenote Oct 2013 #99

He did such a great job last time Ruby the Liberal Oct 2013 #47

Tweeted this. madfloridian Oct 2013 #48

What do you bet he already has a plan silvershadow Oct 2013 #49

Unbelieveable....k and r...nt. Stuart G Oct 2013 #53

unfuckingbelivable thecrow Oct 2013 #57

Orwellian? The Wizard Oct 2013 #54

Constitutional crisis nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #58

The Rules Change from what I see only applies to the Continuing Resolution AZ Progressive Oct 2013 #60

correct onenote Oct 2013 #81

The Senate can make its own rule changes, too, GOP...like on the filibuster, for instance alcibiades_mystery Oct 2013 #62

Hey, you beat me to it! ffr Oct 2013 #120

the only way republicans can win. cheat. spanone Oct 2013 #63

"Death to America," blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #66

And where is Boehner on this? That knifed him in the back, effectively putting Cantor in charge. BlueStreak Oct 2013 #67

The headline is the wrong way to frame this. Should be "rules changed to deny Democrats .... Scuba Oct 2013 #70

That's pretty accurate, I think. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #83

The big deal is that it's Cantor, not Boehner, in charge of the shutdown. joshcryer Oct 2013 #105

+1 Segami Oct 2013 #109

This is crazy and wrong rbrnmw Oct 2013 #75

k and r nt MaeScott Oct 2013 #76

"Democracy has been suspended, Mr. Speaker." joshcryer Oct 2013 #92

K&R JohnnyRingo Oct 2013 #100

So what would happen if he died suddenly? Ilsa Oct 2013 #104

I wonder if Cantor has thought about what happens when him as a jewish individual is no longer of Arcanetrance Oct 2013 #110

K & R AzDar Oct 2013 #119

We should refer to Cantor as SonderKommando Canter egold2604 Oct 2013 #121

All Hail King Cantor!!! Plucketeer Oct 2013 #124