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denbot

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28. My thoughts are the tube blockage was more or less a primary failure.

Reply to Laffy Kat (Reply #23)

Mon Oct 21, 2013, 05:13 PM

Oct 2013

Most disasters are errors compounding on to other errors. With multiple system failures, it is very plausible the pilots became more incline to trust their own senses despite their training to rely on their instruments.

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Air France 447 [View all] quinnox Oct 2013 OP

There was a Smithsonian Channel special, I forget the name landolfi Oct 2013 #1

ACI link (and yes, I've seen all the eps) Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #20

Might not have been able to see the horizon. denbot Oct 2013 #2

But wouldn't they be on IFR? Why would they have to see the horizon? Laffy Kat Oct 2013 #4

My understanding is that if unsure, people trust their own senses over a instrument read out. denbot Oct 2013 #10

I know that's true. Laffy Kat Oct 2013 #23

My thoughts are the tube blockage was more or less a primary failure. denbot Oct 2013 #28

Is it too much trouble to ask people who post ops like yours, to provide a link? cali Oct 2013 #3

Why? That was the last Air France crash malaise Oct 2013 #8

because it's a courtesy. and no, not everyone knows all about it. cali Oct 2013 #12

I just asked my dad and he didn't know. Because it is polite and apppreciated. Thanks. uppityperson Oct 2013 #19

I accept that it is polite malaise Oct 2013 #21

I remember crashes, just not necessarily the airline number. Thanks. uppityperson Oct 2013 #22

This answers most of the questions. RiffRandell Oct 2013 #5

An excellent article. I hope the OP looks at it. Brickbat Oct 2013 #13

Thank you for that. Essentially the copilots stalled until it crashed. They didn't cooperate, it was uppityperson Oct 2013 #24

along with this: Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #27

What happened was that the AF crew was not adequately trained The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2013 #6

Nova (or Frontline) did a program about it. closeupready Oct 2013 #7

Maybe they were trying to come in like they were wakeboarding snooper2 Oct 2013 #9

Tunnel perception jberryhill Oct 2013 #11

And? Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #14

I guess it just popped into his head Lex Oct 2013 #17

Looks more like a hit-n-run to throw out some conspiracy Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #25

A software error... coyote Oct 2013 #15

That story was written before the final report was released Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #18

Numerous confirmed incidence of pilots fighting faulty programming FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #26

It was poor CRM all around Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #16

If the weight shifts suddenly to the rear the nose goes up and the plane crashes The Second Stone Oct 2013 #29

I fly about twice a week.. HipChick Oct 2013 #30