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112. The mythical Jesus would vomit if he saw the Vatican.

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Tue Oct 22, 2013, 09:51 AM

Oct 2013

I can't help but see some irony in these statements coming from the leader of the Catholic church.

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Pope Francis describes �ideological Christians� as a �serious illness� within the Church [View all] kpete Oct 2013 OP

This belongs in the religion forum el_bryanto Oct 2013 #1

I must disagree Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #10

Every Church has members that are politically motivated el_bryanto Oct 2013 #12

It's a very large change in political philosophy being driven by the church's new leader jeff47 Oct 2013 #14

+1 Hekate Oct 2013 #16

If this article specifically referenced those issues than it'd be fair game el_bryanto Oct 2013 #19

So you need someone to hand the implications to you? jeff47 Oct 2013 #20

You have to ask yourself why the guidelines involving religion exist el_bryanto Oct 2013 #21

If the only thing being discussed was Catholicism jeff47 Oct 2013 #25

Putting a lot of effort into getting this thread banished are you? tkmorris Oct 2013 #29

+1 Myrina Oct 2013 #40

I try to be consistent - in general I approve of this story el_bryanto Oct 2013 #41

yeah I was wondering about that myself. gopiscrap Oct 2013 #81

I respectfully disagree w/your initial premise War Horse Oct 2013 #61

Exactly right, and it belongs in GD CanonRay Oct 2013 #119

Protestant churches are fairly defuse Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #31

I agree. It is a big change. nt Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #84

In much the same way that getting run over by a car is an issue for bicyclists that do not own cars. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #37

Ah, an apt anlogy Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #63

Agreed. The local catholic church put up "Vote for Life" signs during the last presidential Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #96

That's an ideological response pscot Oct 2013 #17

well done, pscot. I agree heartily with you. They are roguevalley Oct 2013 #72

I know personally a few right-leaning politically active Catholics who will be troubled by this. hunter Oct 2013 #36

I respectfully disagree w/your initial premise War Horse Oct 2013 #47

I would also disagree Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #100

It's gratifying that this particular time it hasn't broken down into a spat that doesn't go anywhere el_bryanto Oct 2013 #102

This affects us all. Brewinblue Oct 2013 #121

I like this Pope in comparison to his predecessors. Xyzse Oct 2013 #2

Yes Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #87

I guess from now on I need to go with "Does a bear shit in the woods?" Scuba Oct 2013 #3

It fixes it a bit if you put a Trademark symbol after 'Catholic'. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #42

Wow! What a huge step in the right direction. antiquie Oct 2013 #4

Wow! The man is channeling Jacques Ellul... arendt Oct 2013 #5

And St Francis of Assisi Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #101

Pope Francis is showing he follows a path we could all follow and it is Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #127

Yeah. At least he is trying to be better than his predecessor. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #131

Yes and if many more religious leaders would follow his thinking instead of the hate this Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #132

True prayer? Cartoonist Oct 2013 #6

He is speaking of faith, not science me b zola Oct 2013 #76

SEPERATION of Church and State.... gotta love it. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #88

Agreed! me b zola Oct 2013 #93

Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and unto God what is God's. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #98

So? Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #89

Things I am not tolerant of Cartoonist Oct 2013 #125

Baby out with the bathwater much? Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #128

Is it true that when you get high up in church power, that the real truth is learned snooper2 Oct 2013 #7

Sounds like a short story of mine that was just published. Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #64

This from a man who got famous by barking from balconies that gay people are Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #8

Shhh! Don't disrupt the lovefest by calling attention to reality, please! Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #13

given that he is the leader of over a billion people roguevalley Oct 2013 #74

See post 90 - two different popes Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #91

You are flat out dead wrong, I am quoting Francis. Deal in facts please. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #108

No source is not a quote. Source please. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #129

Pope Francis has indeed made some very awful rightwing statements... Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #120

No source - not buying it. nt Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #130

Here: Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #133

Thank you. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #135

The fact that he fails on some subjects doesn't mean he fails in all subjects. (nt) jeff47 Oct 2013 #15

It does since he represents himself as the infallable supreme power of the church. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #43

I'm presuming the person I replied to isn't Catholic, since they are questioning the Pope. (nt) jeff47 Oct 2013 #45

This is false uponit7771 Oct 2013 #54

Oh? Do tell. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #60

The pope is NOT infallible at all times joeglow3 Oct 2013 #113

Perhaps you could start with the simple research of actually READING MY POST. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #117

Although I am an atheist, I keep track of what popes say, because they tblue37 Oct 2013 #83

Thank you. Not only do you know the difference between Benedict and Francis.... Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #92

He is wrong to count himself among the righteous rather than among those Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #70

Wrong Pope. See post 90. Pope Francis is NOT like Pope Benedict. AT ALL. nt Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #99

No, correct Pope. I am quoting Francis. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #109

OK I get what happened in Argentina. So why do you think he changed his position? Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #138

+ a gazillion Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #26

I've heard it said that the view from the Vatican balcony changes some men. TygrBright Oct 2013 #35

+1 daleanime Oct 2013 #55

How sweet of you. Is that what I said, that people never change? No. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #71

We Catholics believe in the influence of the Holy Spirit. Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #65

So what? He and his hierarchy still attack gay people and oppose our equality Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #73

I think you have the wrong Pope in mind. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #90

No, I am quoting Francis as Bergoglio. Sorry, I am not confused, you are in denial Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #107

That was Ratzinger, "God's Rottweiler" Celefin Oct 2013 #94

Wrong, I am quoting and speaking of Francis, if you folks can't accept facts you Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #110

And you don't get to baselessly insult all of 'us folks', sorry. Celefin Oct 2013 #122

More benefit of the doubt and more sharing info without insulting is a good idea. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #139

I like Francis a lot. Best Pope in my lifetime. distantearlywarning Oct 2013 #9

This sounds all well and good Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #11

There's plenty of "actual action" being personally instigated by Pope Francis. Heads are rolling. Hekate Oct 2013 #22

He is cleaning up the Vatican's dodgy finances, Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #34

Every other breath he tells Church leadership to "pay more attention to looking after the poor... Hekate Oct 2013 #49

I have been paying attention Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #62

He's getting a revolution started... Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #86

Sounds like the Ryans and Santorums HockeyMom Oct 2013 #18

I bet they don't like this Pope... hunter Oct 2013 #39

Ditto to that! SoapBox Oct 2013 #46

We're going to screw the Poor/Middle Class, HockeyMom Oct 2013 #51

Francis is opposed to abortion and gay marriage, in his home nation he was Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #75

Need a source on that. Pope Benedict YES was. But Pope Francis has spoken up for gays as people. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #106

Are you claiming Francis is pro choice? I've posted about the gay attacks many times. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #111

Maybe since it passed in Argentina and he saw the results, he had to start seeing reason. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #134

You equate being gay with gluttony, demand sources and when you get them Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #115

Naw... being gay is just "an activity" theHandpuppet Oct 2013 #116

I am surprised that not one of the Francis fans had the guts to respond to the Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #118

Since I responded to this in another post. I'll keep this short. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #141

Why are you acting like I am anti-gay? I'm not. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #137

NO I was at work at 10:05am. Nice try. nt Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #136

I hope he has food tasters... If not he will soon suddenly die imo. Lobo27 Oct 2013 #23

Maybe that's why he lives in the hostel and eats with the other guys. bklyncowgirl Oct 2013 #27

Religion, at its very core... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #24

Exhibit A: Ideological christian Republicans have closed the door on Jesus, except as a puppet Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #28

And said ZERO words about gays. closeupready Oct 2013 #32

More Popes and Christians could take a clue from that. nt Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #142

And flipped over the tables of the money changers... AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #44

Yeah, when are we going to go after all the CEO's and Bank Moguls that nearly destroyed US? Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #143

Go Francis!! A huge improvement over Pope Ratzinger 99th_Monkey Oct 2013 #30

Sounds Like He Is Defining The Heirarchy Of The Catholic Church DallasNE Oct 2013 #33

did he sell the vatican treasures and give the money to the poor yet? nt msongs Oct 2013 #38

Not yet, but if he follows in the original footsteps of St Francis... it might happen. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #144

I love this guy..... AnneD Oct 2013 #48

Same here Hekate Oct 2013 #50

Me too!!! Beacool Oct 2013 #77

So do I. And neither am I. But DevonRex Oct 2013 #80

Can't see the forest for the trees...... AnneD Oct 2013 #114

I've always likened it to having to follow a recipe DevonRex Oct 2013 #123

As one cook to another I agree... AnneD Oct 2013 #124

So Frankie..... Wounded Bear Oct 2013 #52

Republicans are the Pharisees of our time saynotoplutocrats Oct 2013 #53

Welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #67

When I feed the poor, they call me saint. When I ask why so many are poor, they call me communist saynotoplutocrats Oct 2013 #145

yup I agree and I remember as a kid listening to Vatican officials yelling about it gopiscrap Oct 2013 #146

�ideological Christians� AlbertCat Oct 2013 #56

I'm warming to this pope dickthegrouch Oct 2013 #57

1 more thing they'll hate Catholics for FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #58

I'm say this as someone who had dumped a metric to of criticism on the catholic church recently Kurska Oct 2013 #59

If he continues with this sort of doctrinal humility . . . markpkessinger Oct 2013 #66

Or Lutheran gopiscrap Oct 2013 #69

yup gopiscrap Oct 2013 #68

Until he stops covering up for child rapists he has no moral authority to speak about anything. nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #78

NAILED IT! liberal N proud Oct 2013 #79

As an ex Catholic, I have to say that I am surprised and happy with the new Pope. I like what he is Pisces Oct 2013 #82

YES!!! Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #85

Give that man some time. Celefin Oct 2013 #95

A catholic friend of mine said they're going to have to kill this pope. He is not uphodling the RW Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #97

"ideologies are rigid, always. " Sunlei Oct 2013 #103

If this guy had been pope 25 years ago . . . LumosMaxima Oct 2013 #104

Republican Jesus wept William Seger Oct 2013 #105

The mythical Jesus would vomit if he saw the Vatican. RedCappedBandit Oct 2013 #112

Comparative Religions show that the Creation Story, even though scientifically questioned as a myth, libdem4life Oct 2013 #126

I think I'm starting to like this Pope Francis guy. He's way cooler than Pope Hitler Youth was. nt Electric Monk Oct 2013 #140