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LuvNewcastle

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12. I agree, it's a vocational school.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 09:47 AM
Oct 2013

I guess there are different kinds of colleges for different types of people, though. If you just want to learn some pointers on everyday living and how to work in a business, something like that would probably be ideal for you. It really isn't what I think of as a college, however. After all, why would you need 4 years to learn those things?

For more scholarly people who want to go into a professional field, whether it's law, medicine, or science, a place like Champlain wouldn't be helpful; in fact, it could even be harmful. At the age that people usually start college, people are still able to learn and retain a lot of information. What they learn in college is supposed to be the base they build on so they can go on to grad school, med school, law school, etc. Champlain isn't going to give those people what they need. They'll have to end up taking basic courses in a real college before they can move on to graduate studies.

Atmosphere is also important. The pre-grad students need interaction with others so they can be exposed to different ideas. They can also discuss assignments share what they've learned. They need an intellectual atmosphere. I doubt Champlain would provide that. People there are learning practical knowledge, not specialized knowledge. A place like that is fine for someone with average intelligence who wants to merely maximize their earnings. It would be a perfect fit for many people, but let's face it, it's just not set up for people who want a base for a lifetime of learning.

Without tenure, there is no freedom of expression. That part is not a good idea. leveymg Oct 2013 #1
+1. Tenure is ESSENTIAL. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #4
baloney. they have multi year contracts cali Oct 2013 #5
Tenure is basically a guarantee of lifetime employment. It's essential to free expression leveymg Oct 2013 #10
That's exactly what it is. duffyduff Oct 2013 #30
Perhaps the administration at this college at this kiva Oct 2013 #19
It seems that you don't understand the purpose of tenure. n/t Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #20
Furthermore, I would add "tenure" does NOT exist in K-12. duffyduff Oct 2013 #29
Which is a deficit. Tenure is not a "lifetime job" and it's not perfect, Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #31
if it's a teaching college, tenure matters less, but I so smell academic capitalism zazen Oct 2013 #6
you're simply wrong. cali Oct 2013 #14
"maybe it really is a non-toxic environment" and "I'm suspicious" zazen Oct 2013 #18
So how do countries such as the UK manage just fine with no concept of "tenure"? Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #8
Do they really? leveymg Oct 2013 #11
That's the intention of tenure, but it isn't always the result. MineralMan Oct 2013 #15
Word gets around about the time-servers. leveymg Oct 2013 #21
Yes, of course. However, tenure is not the do-all it is touted to be. MineralMan Oct 2013 #22
That's no reason to do away with the tenure system. leveymg Oct 2013 #24
Well, since I didn't go into academia, it doesn't really matter to me MineralMan Oct 2013 #25
I'm seeing hard-working tenured folks forced into early retirement now zazen Oct 2013 #27
I made that decision way back in the 1970s. MineralMan Oct 2013 #28
I stopped at "immediately employable" and "no tenure" frazzled Oct 2013 #2
then you stopped too soon. Liberal arts are fundamental to the cali Oct 2013 #7
I didn't say at all they weren't first rate frazzled Oct 2013 #13
that you know family members who don't want to work in far away places cali Oct 2013 #16
I agree, it's a vocational school. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #12
not even close to being true. ack. cali Oct 2013 #17
I don't mean to put the place down, cali. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #23
this series focusing on Vermont that Jim Fallows and other Atlantic cali Oct 2013 #3
Whoa there. What about athletics? Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #9
1977 University of Vermont graduate here! cilla4progress Oct 2013 #26
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