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Shampoyeto

(110 posts) Thu Oct 24, 2013, 03:33 PM Oct 2013

Glenn Greenwald drops NSA bombshell in Italy [View all]

The NSA spied on the Italian government and companies, for reasons beyond terrorism.

L'Espresso magazine broke the story thanks to its source, American journalist Glenn Greenwald. Here's a translated-to-english page of the report: http://espresso.repubblica.it/internazionale/2013/10/24/news/cosi-ci-spiano-stati-uniti-e-gran-bretagna-1.138890

Excerpt:

"Italy has not only been in the crosshairs of the system created by Prism 007 U.S.. With a program called parallel and convergent Tempora, also British intelligence had spied on optical fiber cables that carry phone calls, emails and Internet traffic of our country. Relevant information gathered by GCHQ, the Government Communications Head Quarter ie, they could swap with the American NSA. But from the files of Snowden shows that the skimming of these data follows unscrupulous criteria, which is not only the fight against terrorism."

Reuters and others have picked up the story: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/24/us-italy-usa-spying-idUSBRE99N0Q420131024?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

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Glenn Greenwald drops NSA bombshell in Italy [View all] Shampoyeto Oct 2013 OP

Interesting how this coincides with Kerry's trip to Italy: Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #1

AGAIN?! I was tempted to look that up but I didn't think Greenwald would be THAT transparent. randome Oct 2013 #2

Basically all this information about alleged spying on Europeans is occurring as Kerry is in Europe. Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #4

Oh, you knew we were spying on Italy for non-counterterrorism purposes? Very impressive. nt DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2013 #5

You missed our point. Completely. Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #7

So what if they are timed? Don't you think they get more notice this way? cui bono Oct 2013 #77

The man is trying to get the information *noticed*. Marr Oct 2013 #101

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #137

Greenwald said he'd make them pay for what they did to his husband. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #140

Please supply a link to that quote from Greenwald 'I will make them sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #152

I think this is what I remember: LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #201

Here's a different quote: LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #206

Yes, I do remember those statements after they harassed his husband. sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #237

This message was self-deleted by its author LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #207

No, I don't CARE that we spy on Italy. randome Oct 2013 #9

Link for that stopped terrorist attack, please. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #22

Here are a couple. Not the one I was thinking about, though. randome Oct 2013 #60

I've read of many alleged "foiled plots"; don't believe most. E.g. "He tried to kill my daddy." WinkyDink Oct 2013 #191

Two of Headley's wives turned him in. Also, he was a U.S. intelligence asset Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #245

yes, yes. you know so much more than Senators like Wyden, Leahy and Udall cali Oct 2013 #47

We've been hearing 'tip of the iceberg' for a long time. randome Oct 2013 #66

When parts of the iceberg surface we get kooky responses about timing being suspicious. cui bono Oct 2013 #79

Didn't they spy on Dr King and try to ruin his marriage? grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #114

Probably. Not only was that a long time ago, but the NSA is now forbidden by law... randome Oct 2013 #122

Well then the NSA has broken the law because starting with Bush sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #168

That was the FBI. WinkyDink Oct 2013 #192

NSA didn't spy on MLK, you say? nt Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #215

Apparently it did, but the FBI was first: WinkyDink Oct 2013 #242

I have some serious problems with the NSA. NCTraveler Oct 2013 #136

Breitbart SUPPORTED the Spying on the American people. It was Dems sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #154

I meant it sounds like Breitbart when we scream 'STOP SPYING ON US!' randome Oct 2013 #166

not that it's right, but every country that can afford an intelligence agency spies on everyone they dionysus Oct 2013 #33

What I know (and I can't tell you why or how) is that ALL modern governments spy on each other. kelliekat44 Oct 2013 #91

Geez, even MAD has had "Spy vs. Spy vs. Spy" for 50 years. WinkyDink Oct 2013 #193

Only it was Der Spiegel which broke the Merkel story Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #8

Der Spiegel obtained the documents from Greenwald, no doubt. randome Oct 2013 #12

Busted! Der Spiegel has possessed the NSA documents for a long time, not just recently Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #14

No, but it's been, what, three countries in a row now? randome Oct 2013 #64

What is the agenda? And why - whatever it is - is it suspect? cui bono Oct 2013 #85

It's Greenwalds agenda more than anything else, IMO. randome Oct 2013 #124

What utter nonsense. Democrats have always opposed these sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #164

Don't you think it's ridiculous for the new complaint to be that he wants attention when he's cui bono Oct 2013 #182

He's a reporter. He writes things he thinks people should read. You are confusing him with someone cui bono Oct 2013 #181

And you have "no doubt" that Laura Poitras didn't give the Der Spiegel Magazine the documents? Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #34

What difference does it make? randome Oct 2013 #63

Was Kerry in Brazil and Mexico when stories of NSA spying broke there? nt Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #10

It was actually released before Brazil's Prez was going to have a state dinner in the US Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #13

What do Brazilian President dinners have to do with Kerry-related conspiracy theories? Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #15

LOL. Welcome to DU. n/t Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #16

Again, surely... SidDithers Oct 2013 #26

!!! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #31

Expect a lot more of this. It's being widely disseminated by these folks: Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #20

The reaction to the leak on Merkel by a former French big wig was pretty consistent with what alot Number23 Oct 2013 #68

It's especially hypocritical of Merkel: Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #83

Wow, I'm SHOCKED@!! No really!1 Number23 Oct 2013 #90

Rightfully so; Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #111

Merkel grew up in East Germany and she has that Stasi stench about her. MADem Oct 2013 #179

Yeah, and expect more posts like yours, from all the Obama apologists who don't stand for anything cui bono Oct 2013 #81

Say Hi for me! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #84

To who? cui bono Oct 2013 #86

"I don't really expect much from you" Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #87

Not at all. I've just seen that posts like this is about all you can handle. cui bono Oct 2013 #92

'Latin America is but a cyst on the anus of the world' is the sort of 'substance' offered. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #142

There has been an attempt at substance made! cui bono Oct 2013 #230

If I gave two hoots about you, I might, but since I don't... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #227

Link to me fetishizing GG please. Really. I'd love to see it. cui bono Oct 2013 #229

This source should be okay as it's the "true liberals" bible (so to speak). Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #232

And thus the ankle biter was slain! Number23 Oct 2013 #233

Like I said..."It's great sport"! Any leader, including Latin American leaders, who trash this..... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #234

Really, this is my last time kicking this shitty thread Number23 Oct 2013 #235

I love how you think s/he's "winning" cui bono Oct 2013 #239

"I am far from slain. Although I must admit, you do slay me." Number23 Oct 2013 #243

I didn't see any others referenced here. You chose to make comments about me and call me names cui bono Oct 2013 #246

"I am far from slain. Although I must admit, you do slay me." Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #251

Oh girl, the "explanation" for that bit of ridiculousness was even better Number23 Oct 2013 #257

Okay, I agree, that was stupid. cui bono Oct 2013 #238

Well, alrighty then. You have a good one, ya' hear? Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #240

So you admit you can't answer my questions. cui bono Oct 2013 #241

Where did you get that quote about Snowden calling Putin champion of human rights? Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #253

Hey, looks like you've got something on your ankle... Number23 Oct 2013 #112

I love it. It's great sport! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #198

+1. Well put. Marr Oct 2013 #102

Hell Yeah! LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #141

Not against spying, speak for yourself... and put out your hair DontTreadOnMe Oct 2013 #204

Where did people get this idea Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #108

Ron Paul is a front runnin' phoney just like his whacked out supporters, and the fruit of his loins. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #196

After this, therefore because of this...? LanternWaste Oct 2013 #57

A conspiracy theory? Rex Oct 2013 #3

Conspiracy hypothesis would be more accurate Fumesucker Oct 2013 #6

True! I think I'm going to use that in conversations. Rex Oct 2013 #42

If this happened under a Republican administration and a journalist did the same thing... Spider Jerusalem Oct 2013 #18

"and a journalist did the same thing" Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #19

Not really Spider Jerusalem Oct 2013 #25

So at least we can agree on the timing. n/t Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #27

Presumably it was a poorly worded hypothetical dreamnightwind Oct 2013 #30

I haven't seen a coherent explanation of what the timing is all about. cui bono Oct 2013 #95

I doubt Greenwald has a dog in any American politic seveneyes Oct 2013 #36

Greenwald has in the past shown up in the US to push third-parties, as he did in 2010 struggle4progress Oct 2013 #107

He says he isn't, ronnie624 Oct 2013 #118

He's on tape. I've posted the link repeatedly. And Greenwald reflexively calls people liars struggle4progress Oct 2013 #123

It's terribly ironic... MADem Oct 2013 #180

Poking around a bit will reveals quite a few people who find Greenwald dishonest struggle4progress Oct 2013 #236

The very suggestion ronnie624 Oct 2013 #261

A list of people who will take the money for writing a single "article".....so? MADem Oct 2013 #262

I am not now, nor have I ever been, employed by the Cato Institute. ronnie624 Oct 2013 #263

No, it doesn't. He was giving a speech in the US on Thursday muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #80

His interest is keeping the story alive, and he is doing well at it. morningfog Oct 2013 #100

Talking about coincidences what about all of the impassioned grantcart Oct 2013 #117

Once again, you're engaging in attacks on the messenger, and not looking at the message. Th1onein Oct 2013 #130

Poor Glennie leftynyc Oct 2013 #11

Did you just say Glenn Greenwald is not getting attention? Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #17

He's getting plenty and that's his aim. pnwmom Oct 2013 #21

what's yours? frylock Oct 2013 #50

What's yours? pnwmom Oct 2013 #56

i'm rubber, you're glue frylock Oct 2013 #73

Well DUH! He's a journalist, his JOB is to get information out to the public. cui bono Oct 2013 #97

I sees someone else leftynyc Oct 2013 #121

"glennie" one step short of outright homophobia. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #32

Why? leftynyc Oct 2013 #119

you are deliberately emasculating a grown man Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #203

I'm infantilizing him leftynyc Oct 2013 #212

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #202

it's eating you up inside that this is getting attention.. frylock Oct 2013 #49

LOL - uh, no leftynyc Oct 2013 #120

it's evident that you couldn't possibly care less every time you post in these threads.. frylock Oct 2013 #172

Yawn leftynyc Oct 2013 #189

and here we are again, not caring less.. frylock Oct 2013 #194

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #106

A search of the Barack Obama group for the last two years didn't turn up "Glennie" struggle4progress Oct 2013 #109

Hooray everybody loves the Internet Archivist bobduca Oct 2013 #113

Bottom-dragging for reactions seems somewhat low-brow to me struggle4progress Oct 2013 #115

Not to mention.... Bobbie Jo Oct 2013 #125

Oh, dearie me! A jury hid that silly reaction-seeking nonsense! I do wonder why struggle4progress Oct 2013 #126

Too many church ladies in the jury pool again? L0oniX Oct 2013 #155

Or maybe more and more DUers are getting tired of ODS and accusatory shrieks "You support Obama!" struggle4progress Oct 2013 #160

"real conversation"? ...in there? LOL L0oniX Oct 2013 #170

Those "against terms and conditions," are also hidden ...apparently. L0oniX Oct 2013 #156

Avoid getting baited into a response that could go to a Jury... bvar22 Oct 2013 #256

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #151

I think you should stick to the subject, don't you? sibelian Oct 2013 #135

I've made my position on leftynyc Oct 2013 #143

LOL, he is getting plenty! nt Logical Oct 2013 #184

On here, sure leftynyc Oct 2013 #190

Lol, same with Grayson, frankin, olbermann, etc. nice try. nt Logical Oct 2013 #216

A congressman, leftynyc Oct 2013 #221

Go ahead with your denial, it is easier than the truth! nt Logical Oct 2013 #222

Oh yes, leftynyc Oct 2013 #223

Will you two get a room? randome Oct 2013 #224

Snowden made a difference! LOL, ask the NSA! And people like you whine... Logical Oct 2013 #226

"not only the fight against terrorism." What is it then? pnwmom Oct 2013 #23

better question: why would you care? frylock Oct 2013 #52

Why do you? pnwmom Oct 2013 #55

because i'm a civil libertarian that doesn't suspend my views when someone i like holds office frylock Oct 2013 #72

And I have no problem with Snowden releasing information pnwmom Oct 2013 #76

It's in the OP. cui bono Oct 2013 #93

So what. I couldn't give a damn if the worlds ruling class are all spying on each other JaneyVee Oct 2013 #24

Excuse me? You don't care if the US government is used for corporate spying? woo me with science Oct 2013 #37

They spied for pizza recepies. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #28

Or getting the secret cloudbase Oct 2013 #70

Gee if they spied on an Asian nation would you say 'were they looking for good rice recipies'? Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #145

It was a joke, lighten uo Francis!! darkangel218 Oct 2013 #210

du rec. xchrom Oct 2013 #29

So when do we get to the good stuff? Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #35

Mass surveillance of the US's own citizens, now corporate spying... woo me with science Oct 2013 #38

You be satisfied with the snack crumbs... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #153

... woo me with science Oct 2013 #161

Huge K&R. So now we have evidence of both mass spying on citizens AND corporate spying. woo me with science Oct 2013 #39

Actually, what we have so far is a teaser, in an Italian paper, saying "Greenwald says" struggle4progress Oct 2013 #110

Sure, if you buy GG's scam. tridim Oct 2013 #132

Rec. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #138

How long have Democrats been saying the NSA is dangerous? How long were we ignored? melody Oct 2013 #40

And is it still dangerous? Or is this post a bid woo me with science Oct 2013 #44

Was I attempting to? melody Oct 2013 #46

Their allegiance appears to be to the same multinational banks and corporations woo me with science Oct 2013 #53

Hell, no melody Oct 2013 #61

Sorry, the nation is waking up to that game. woo me with science Oct 2013 #65

Did you ever read the White Paper about "using libertarians and independents" melody Oct 2013 #78

That was a sad post, woo me with science Oct 2013 #99

Your own posts are illustrative of the problem of "isms" melody Oct 2013 #103

Yep, you got in the last word. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #139

I have no idea what you're talking about melody Oct 2013 #144

Obviously, you responded to #99, including the last paragraph within it. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #158

Here. This should help you "understand". bvar22 Oct 2013 #252

I'm a liberal Democrat -- I have been one all my life melody Oct 2013 #254

On what policies do Obama and Clinton differ? LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #228

Democrats? L0oniX Oct 2013 #150

Yeah, see the name of the site? Most of us are Democrats here n/t melody Oct 2013 #157

You mean the dino, dlc, 3rdway gov shills that are comfortable with the NSA spying on everyone? L0oniX Oct 2013 #159

No, I didn't say the DLC, Dinos or the like -- I said the Democrats melody Oct 2013 #225

He's a hero. L0oniX Oct 2013 #41

+100000 woo me with science Oct 2013 #45

Hopefully you left off mimi85 Oct 2013 #71

^^^^^^This^^^^^^ Autumn Oct 2013 #82

If you believe in Democracy. Octafish Oct 2013 #147

The majority has always been the ignorant sleeping sheep. Poppies anyone? L0oniX Oct 2013 #148

More than a few posted they'd be OK if the Constitution was scrapped. Octafish Oct 2013 #187

There is a constant, unnatural influx of corporate/Third Way personas to this site. woo me with science Oct 2013 #176

Must be a lot of money in that. Octafish Oct 2013 #188

Bombshell: Intelligence Agency Engages In Intelligence Gathering gcomeau Oct 2013 #43

No, corporate spying is not the job of the US government. woo me with science Oct 2013 #48

There is a difference between monitoring the activities of corporations... gcomeau Oct 2013 #54

The propaganda is shameless, outrageous, woo me with science Oct 2013 #58

The labeling of basic simple facts as "propaganda" is childish. -eom gcomeau Oct 2013 #59

The problem with much of the propaganda woo me with science Oct 2013 #69

+ a trillion!!! excellent posts. solarhydrocan Oct 2013 #75

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Oct 2013 #149

Shame on anyone... gcomeau Oct 2013 #167

Your persistence in the face of the ignorance is amazing. Keep up the good work!! riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #183

" it assumes stupidity on the part of Americans" bvar22 Oct 2013 #255

+100000000 woo me with science Oct 2013 #258

so your cools with china "monitoring the activities of corporations" in america? frylock Oct 2013 #74

No, but I also recognize every country is going to do it. gcomeau Oct 2013 #163

i know what they have them for, it doesn't mean i have to fucking like or accept it. frylock Oct 2013 #165

Well tough. gcomeau Oct 2013 #169

stfu would have easier to type out frylock Oct 2013 #173

Would also have meant something completely different. gcomeau Oct 2013 #174

thank goodness we have Reality-based Real World Realists here like you to point out that reality frylock Oct 2013 #197

Indeed. gcomeau Oct 2013 #209

again, you do us a great service and i am forever in your debt.. frylock Oct 2013 #213

Enjoy feeding time. -eom gcomeau Oct 2013 #220

Actually, it is in the interests of all governments to do it. joshcryer Oct 2013 #105

It's almost not worth bothering explaining it gcomeau Oct 2013 #171

They got nothing. joshcryer Oct 2013 #247

Specifically WHAT "Strawmen" are you whining about,? bvar22 Oct 2013 #259

Um. Please read what I wrote. Post #105. joshcryer Oct 2013 #260

Are you suggesting that, say, Corporate Espionage doesn't qualify as "fighting terror"? Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #51

It's Getting harder and harder to believe that this is just BUSH STUFF.. KoKo Oct 2013 #62

+1. jsr Oct 2013 #67

"Greenwald says" by itself doesn't carry much credibility with me. He has an agenda, struggle4progress Oct 2013 #127

You have "an agenda" too. bvar22 Oct 2013 #177

You could look, for example, at Greenwald's misuse of a blog entry by Mark Klamberg, to support struggle4progress Oct 2013 #248

Kick. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #88

Did they question Berlusconi's good character? jberryhill Oct 2013 #89

Odd how they mention corporate espionage, but... Oilwellian Oct 2013 #94

+1 We always knew the ultimate revelations would be about corporate subversion of government. woo me with science Oct 2013 #98

energy, money, or power upi402 Oct 2013 #104

“News is what somebody somewhere wants to suppress; all the rest is advertising.” Lord Northcliffe Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #96

Wow, looks like NSA trolls all over this thread, lol:) grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #116

Everyone who expresses an opinion you disagree with is an NSA troll? davidpdx Oct 2013 #129

We live in very creepy times. woo me with science Oct 2013 #146

the flip side is questionseverything Oct 2013 #211

Seems corporations have found a useful tool in the NSA fasttense Oct 2013 #128

There is no evidence -none- that the NSA is selling information. randome Oct 2013 #131

Well that would be a national security issue subject to being kept secret. L0oniX Oct 2013 #162

It's Obama who established the National Declassification Center. randome Oct 2013 #199

It doesn't matter what we assume. It matters what the rest of the sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #178

+1 cui bono Oct 2013 #186

I'm not defending it. I'm saying I don't care and I think that's how most people think. randome Oct 2013 #195

'I think that's how most people think". Ichingcarpenter Oct 2013 #200

Politicians play politics. randome Oct 2013 #205

yes they are so clever Ichingcarpenter Oct 2013 #208

Since when do law enforcement agencies report to you or me? randome Oct 2013 #214

Do you think the U.S. government really cares if France or Germany spies on us? Ichingcarpenter Oct 2013 #219

Laws, there are LAWS governing police work, and we have them for a sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #250

The anti-corporation crowd on DU is concerned about Corporations being spied on? Democat Oct 2013 #133

Que? Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #134

Who are the 'anti-Corporation crowd on DU'?? I have not met a sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #175

What? By what logic you you reach that conclusion? cui bono Oct 2013 #185

I am anti -republican. Should i advocate spying on Republicans? nt Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #217

You statement is logic fail in so many ways I don't know where to start LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #231

They are actually very pro-corporate. joshcryer Oct 2013 #244

lol, somebody is going to get fired. mean while italy, germany and the rest okieinpain Oct 2013 #218

k & r! n/t wildbilln864 Oct 2013 #249