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ProSense

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2. Here's some good information.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 02:17 PM
Oct 2013
Which Other Countries Are ‘In Bed’ With The NSA?

By Hayes Brown

With three of their partners’ signal intelligence collection programs revealed, it’s only a matter of time before all eyes turn to two of the most seemingly innocuous members of the world stage: Canada and New Zealand.

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Australia has recently found itself the most recent target of Snowden’s cache of documents. Just days ago, the land down under’s participation in the NSA’s intelligence gathering was splashed across headlines. In the pages of Brazil’s O Globo newspaper, Glenn Greenwald — one journalist who originally received the NSA documents from Snowden — catalogued the existence of a series of four NSA listening stations throughout Australia.

What the United States, United Kingdom, and Australia all have in common is joint membership in an organization known colloquially as “The Five Eyes.” In a 1943 agreement — not even officially acknowledged until 2005 and declassified in 2010 — the U.S. and Britain agreed to share signal intelligence between themselves and the Dominions of Canada, New Zealand, and Australia. Under the terms of the pact, formally known as the UKUSA Agreement, electronic information collected in the course of espionage can be passed freely among themselves, circumventing the normal controls against foreign sharing that intelligence usually possesses.

For those keeping track, that still leaves two of the Five Eyes’ participation remaining relatively concealed or at least not the focus of a leak. Thus far, the Communications Security Establishment Canada (CSEC) and New Zealand’s Government Communications Security Bureau have managed to avoid major scrutiny or revelations about the programs that they operate. Given the new interest in revealing legal cooperation in intelligence sharing, however, it’s not hard to guess that they might be next.

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http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/07/10/2276191/snowden-five-eyes/

France, Germany And Brazil Have Surveillance Agencies Too
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/10/21/2807751/france-germany-brazil-surveillance/

Brazil’s Leader Asks Canada to Explain Its Spying
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/08/world/americas/brazil-leader-asks-canada-to-explain-its-spying.html

In Spy Uproar, ‘Everyone Does It’ Just Won’t Do
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/26/world/europe/in-spy-uproar-everyone-does-it-just-wont-do.html?_r=0&pagewanted=all

As I said here (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023937555), it's interesting that this started in 2002 under Bush, and ended early in the Obama Presidency when it was discovered, but somehow it's just becoming an issue. Wonder why?

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Well, there is an explanation to this nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #1
Ha! Aerows Oct 2013 #16
I remember Josh from the "Muckraker Days." KoKo Oct 2013 #20
You forgot, 911 also happened. nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #26
Here's some good information. ProSense Oct 2013 #2
France, Germany And Brazil Have Surveillance Agencies Too Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #4
Feel free to ignore the facts. ProSense Oct 2013 #6
I'm betting they're all spying on Obama n/t malaise Oct 2013 #3
"I'm betting" Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #8
Josh Marshall is a joke... joeybee12 Oct 2013 #5
I remember him from the AOLchat days, a puffed up ego Rex Oct 2013 #22
I disagree. TPM has pretty in-depth reporting and seems to get it right most of the time. OregonBlue Oct 2013 #52
Half of the NSA is for securing US communication jeff47 Oct 2013 #7
If they aren't spying on us, they are idiots. Adrahil Oct 2013 #9
What do you mean "if'? Didn't Marshall tell us they ARE doing it? Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #10
I am confident they are. Adrahil Oct 2013 #11
You need to tell the NSA Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #12
1/2 of the NSA is information security. jeff47 Oct 2013 #36
tell me more. they want to end Germany's spying on US leaders? Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #44
Not the claim you were making. jeff47 Oct 2013 #45
yes, it was the claim i made Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #51
You telling us this might violate your security agreement and clearance nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #13
No, this is public knowledge and published in standard security training.... nothing secrety. Adrahil Oct 2013 #14
I am sure you telling us this is allowed too nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #15
? It's standard stuff. nt Adrahil Oct 2013 #17
Nope it is not nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #18
And there it is... SidDithers Oct 2013 #35
Yes, it really is standard stuff. jeff47 Oct 2013 #37
Yeah, don't bother actually having a discussion or anything.... Adrahil Oct 2013 #39
Damn! Usually you have to piss someone off more than this to be put on the prized Iggy List! randome Oct 2013 #23
<Shrug> Some people only want to hear people who agree with them on everything. nt Adrahil Oct 2013 #57
With friends like you ... GeorgeGist Oct 2013 #56
Well, I'm not a Pollyanna. Adrahil Oct 2013 #58
I like Josh Marshall and Talking Points Memo el_bryanto Oct 2013 #19
Josh, you're good at covering economic issues, so go ahead and make stuff up about spying Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #24
None of us 'knows' anything. Even Marshall is putting his opinion out there. randome Oct 2013 #28
it was not an opinion Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #29
It was a 3 paragraph blurb with his by-line, not a story with facts and figures. randome Oct 2013 #31
Factual claims dont necessarily have to be accompanied by figures Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #33
I edited my original post. The article is headlined 'TPM Editor's Blog'. It's his opinion. randome Oct 2013 #40
That is not the article's headline Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #42
Okay, okay, poor wording on my part. It's still a blog post. randome Oct 2013 #46
I think in the context of an editorial el_bryanto Oct 2013 #54
He's been carrying water for this administration since day one. Broward Oct 2013 #21
doesn't excuse any US spying or equivalize it all bigtree Oct 2013 #25
Bottom line, if they have the technical capability, they are doing it. n/t SamYeager Oct 2013 #27
If thats so, then marshall KNOWS they have the capability Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #32
France, Germany, the UK all have the capability, ergo they are doing it. SamYeager Oct 2013 #47
How do you know that? nt Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #48
They have the same access to high technology as we do. SamYeager Oct 2013 #49
Where did you read that? nt Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #50
I've been working in technology for thirty years n/t SamYeager Oct 2013 #53
Have you written Mt Marshall at TPM? LanternWaste Oct 2013 #30
yes, on twitter. i was gonna comment under his article, but surprise surprise Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #34
I believe there is an email for the publication to which concerns may be made. LanternWaste Oct 2013 #41
of course you will say the obvious place is the one i didn't use Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #43
Charlie Rose, Jr. doxyluv13 Oct 2013 #55
After WWII and the Cold War, no competent intelligence service would wait until a conflict broke out struggle4progress Oct 2013 #38
Israel, for one, has been caught spying on us many times. n/t ieoeja Oct 2013 #59
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