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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 05:04 PM Oct 2013

We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist. [View all]

Let's leave discussions of electoral viability out of this. They aren't the point in this thread.

And obviously, he's not(and it was always silly for anybody to ever say that he was).

And let's be clear...I mean a Marxist, not a Marxist-Leninist(the term Stalin invented to turn his bloodsoaked perversion of Marx and Lenin's ideas-not that Lenin was a saint, but he wasn't THAT much of a psycho compared to "Uncle Joe" and his acolytes, although Lenin was to blame for giving Stalin the structural tools needed to carry out his plans)a Marxist being a person who agrees with Marx's original call for a genuinely socialist and genuinely DEMOCRATIC society.

If Obama WAS a Marxist, and had an actual legislative majority in place to carry out his program, we'd have

1)A fuil-employment economy:

2)A properly funded social welfare system for those who did end up needing help(especially children, the elderly, and the physically and mentally challenged)INCLUDING a universal public healthcare program

3)A foreign policy based on peace and reconciliation rather than "defending our 'national interests'&quot which are always simply the interests of the rich)

4)Democratic control of the means of production and democratic workplace management(with co-ops as part of the deal)

5)Access for all to the means of artistic creation and personal self-expression.

6)A media that actually reported the news, rather than simply acting as propagandists for the corporate order.

That's what we'd have if Obama was ACTUALLY a Marxist.

What's not to like?

(And, if he were actually a Muslim, at least we wouldn't have usury...)

Just thought it should be said.

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there is still the republican controlled house he would have to deal with JI7 Oct 2013 #1
I included an assumption, in the OP, that he had a Congress he could work with. Ken Burch Oct 2013 #2
if I were President.. stillcool Oct 2013 #3
Would there be borscht? 1000words Oct 2013 #4
Cute. Ken Burch Oct 2013 #8
Sorry, my post was intended to be good-natured 1000words Oct 2013 #15
Not meaning to be harsh in response...misread your intent. Ken Burch Oct 2013 #27
Pass ... But "White Russian" gives me a cracking idea! 1000words Oct 2013 #28
Why a "full-employment economy?" That's crazy. immoderate Oct 2013 #5
because of the damage unemployment does to people. Ken Burch Oct 2013 #6
Unemployment doesn't damage people. Being broke does. immoderate Oct 2013 #11
drudging, disrespected, meaningless work is destructive. Ken Burch Oct 2013 #13
We agree on main point. But citing "Marxist-Leninism" is a straw man. immoderate Oct 2013 #18
That was what I was trying to say. Ken Burch Oct 2013 #20
Question is: Who would Stalin NOT have had shot? immoderate Oct 2013 #21
uh...himself?... Ken Burch Oct 2013 #24
With a planned economy, if we could cover everybody's needs on......... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #16
I'm with you. I have heard estimates that society's needs could be met with a 10 hour week. immoderate Oct 2013 #19
Also, a shorter work week would mean full employment. Ken Burch Oct 2013 #33
and unicorns. don't forget the unicorns Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #7
Ok...here ya go... Ken Burch Nov 2013 #38
Yes, yes we would Taverner Oct 2013 #9
Well, yeah, I was aware of that. Ken Burch Oct 2013 #10
IT sucks when we lose. But when we lose when we win? Sucks worse. Taverner Oct 2013 #12
I agree gopiscrap Oct 2013 #14
Remember Trotsky? The CLASSIC Marxist...... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #17
I also think of people like James Connolly and Rosa Luxemburg-and John MacLean in Scotland Ken Burch Oct 2013 #26
You seem very confident... brooklynite Oct 2013 #22
Well, everyone who ever proposed any sort of genuine, transformational change Ken Burch Nov 2013 #36
Personally, I think that IF the USA actually became...... socialist_n_TN Nov 2013 #37
Psst! Nobody tell the teabaggers what true Marxism is! Initech Oct 2013 #23
...and be careful about telling them what "teabagging" is, too. n/t. Ken Burch Oct 2013 #25
K&R Rex Oct 2013 #29
...many of whom are making their appearances in this very thread, I see. Ken Burch Oct 2013 #32
wow my ignore list is working overtime! bobduca Oct 2013 #34
Then Glenn Beck would finally have something to shit about. Rex Oct 2013 #35
If Obama were a true Marxist, Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #30
As I said, the OP called on people to put "electability" out of their minds here. Ken Burch Oct 2013 #31
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