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84. You got something wrong. It won't be 'some' on the Left, it will be a

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:52 PM

Oct 2013

majority on the Left who oppose her, me among them. I will never support another DLCer for any office, and NEVER someone who supported, and still does, Bush's disastrous Iraq War. She lost last time because of that. Obama got those of us who refused to vote for a candidate who got it SO WRONG on such an important issue.

It is three years to the election. No matter how much effort is put into making people 'get used to the idea of Hillary', it isn't going to work.

We Dems can no longer be persuaded to settle for a war supporter just because they have a D after their names.

In conscience I said it back in 2003 when the vote to clear the way for Bush to start that war took place and many of us were stunned by the Dems who voted for it, that I would never, ever support anyone who did that for anything.

She failed on one of the most important issues that faces a President, she got it so wrong and contributed by doing so, to so many tragic and needless deaths of our own troops and of so many innocent men, women and children.

No one who makes that kind of life and death error belongs in power imo. I have never changed my mind on that. It would be a slap in the face to all the victims and their loved ones to reward anyone who was so tragically wrong on that most important issue.

No to Hillary, Yes to Grayson and Sanders.

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How Hillary will cruise to an easy 2016 victory and why that will upset some on the left. [View all] johnnyrak88 Oct 2013 OP

you're number 2 point is wrong gopiscrap Oct 2013 #1

oh gosh what a typo lmao... thanks!! johnnyrak88 Oct 2013 #5

not a problem I knew what you meant, but thought that you should fix gopiscrap Oct 2013 #8

BTW welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #9

hey thanks! nt johnnyrak88 Oct 2013 #14

you're welcome hope we call learn from each other gopiscrap Oct 2013 #16

Replace 2016 with 2008, and you get exactly what people were saying back then. jeff47 Oct 2013 #2

Except that Hillary 2016 has Hillary 2008 as a comparison point. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #43

Who doesn't love someone leftynyc Oct 2013 #54

We got corporate candidate #2. polichick Oct 2013 #59

So how do the Dems raise $1 billion without corporate funds? Be Dem PC and tell them to go ahead libdem4life Oct 2013 #95

The only thing I can think of is if people got behind a candidate and funded... polichick Oct 2013 #106

Who would even run? They can't work, family suffers, and to depend on 63 million voters to each libdem4life Oct 2013 #125

These days I can feel depressed about the state of our country... polichick Oct 2013 #126

Ummm...Reagan was president for the majority of the 80's; the 90's was Clinton's era. nt LaydeeBug Oct 2013 #3

I fixed it sorry thanks nt johnnyrak88 Oct 2013 #7

Raygun was the 80s president. HappyMe Oct 2013 #4

Spandan, is that you? NuclearDem Oct 2013 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author Rex Oct 2013 #30

if clinton gets someting done mshasta Oct 2013 #10

I see it more like Hillary will have a lot of healing to do after 2016. nt johnnyrak88 Oct 2013 #11

golly, this sure does remind me of what some here said in 2006. cali Oct 2013 #12

I'll say: Smarmie Doofus Oct 2013 #13

and if a fair portion of johnnyrak88 Oct 2013 #15

Given her support of TPP, that's likely. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #18

IMO this goes awry just after "1)" HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #17

Last time, Hillary got 17+ million votes in the Primary season brooklynite Oct 2013 #20

Yes, her support WAS largely from "new democrats", "3rd wayers" HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #26

It makes no sense to add primary "votes" karynnj Oct 2013 #53

I think her base of support will be massive johnnyrak88 Oct 2013 #21

You are most certainly encouraged to have an opinion HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #25

Yeah! It will be awesome to have them BOTH back in the White house . Auntie Bush Oct 2013 #37

That's one of my lessor problems, but I'll admit it...I have very little respect for BC HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #44

Just another pro-war, 3rd Way, corporatist, ambitious, pol. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #19

exactly my take pangaia Oct 2013 #80

It's an easy win for the Democratic party, but.... davidn3600 Oct 2013 #22

maybe... johnnyrak88 Oct 2013 #27

no DonCoquixote Oct 2013 #109

*snooorree* *snoooooooooreee* Buddha_of_Wisdom Oct 2013 #23

So, let me see if I've got this straight: NuclearDem Oct 2013 #24

+1 Chan790 Oct 2013 #28

Or me. pangaia Oct 2013 #81

+1 Marr Oct 2013 #111

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. Scuba Oct 2013 #118

Another Spandanish post...yawn. Rex Oct 2013 #29

Well, I checked, and this doesn't seem to be a reincarnation of michigandemStateBlues. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #31

Okay kewl, just another hippie puncher then. Rex Oct 2013 #32

Hillary is a hippie? wuh? n/t Whisp Oct 2013 #41

SO you are saying that the OP is Hillary? Rex Oct 2013 #42

I have no idea who the punched hippies are supposed to be here... Whisp Oct 2013 #45

I won't. Maybe I am the confused one. Rex Oct 2013 #48

I'm not sure who I'll be supporting. Whisp Oct 2013 #49

Warren would make a hell of a good VP. Rex Oct 2013 #50

Yes, Warren would be a good VP but Auntie Bush Oct 2013 #71

80-20 G4A Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #33

I put money on AllINeedIsBlueGrassmichigandeniac. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #34

You can add... Oilwellian Oct 2013 #88

Regarding #4 - nope. They'll be just as nuts with Hillary. Eventually, just Pirate Smile Oct 2013 #35

About #2. Whisp Oct 2013 #36

IMO youre wrong on 1 thru 4 bowens43 Oct 2013 #38

They'll Live BKH70041 Oct 2013 #39

Viable is Pragmatic! bobduca Oct 2013 #122

I think you're 1 for 5 lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #40

She'll win because she's already proved she can do the job as well, or better, JoePhilly Oct 2013 #46

Yes if the 90s taught us nothing else Union Scribe Oct 2013 #47

I guess that's why the entire Republican Party united to impeach him? - Only the second impeachment Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #66

And we learned from 2008 that 90% of Dems want Hillary. winter is coming Oct 2013 #92

Republican Law makers refused to work with Bill Clinton Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #51

I doubt that she will run. TheCowsCameHome Oct 2013 #52

silly johnnyrak88 Oct 2013 #57

Hillary is all over facebook where she has a huge following. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #69

"Hillary is in it to win it." winter is coming Oct 2013 #91

People are judged by their food on cooking shows, not on how money moves opinion Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #123

Since that girl was 5 years old she wanted to be President. She's running. johnlucas Oct 2013 #72

"The left" is not in a mood to just accept another corporate Dem... polichick Oct 2013 #55

that is entirely possible and the status quo will prevail. Wealth will continue to be increasingly Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #56

Don't forget the continued failure to take significant action on climate change... antigone382 Oct 2013 #77

And Ted will cruz to an agonizing defeat Blue Owl Oct 2013 #58

"Republican lawmakers will work with Hillary Clinton" Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #60

You beat me to it. -nt- DireStrike Oct 2013 #87

Shhhh....just let it happen.....don't fight it Z_California Oct 2013 #61

So much, so wrong.... Xithras Oct 2013 #62

i agree MFM008 Oct 2013 #63

Can we get through 2014 first? Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #64

Hillary is definitely less evil than Ted Cruz. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #74

Ted Cruz won't be the Republican nominee. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #78

Haha. That was funny. TheCowsCameHome Oct 2013 #85

I think she's the favourite going in watch the sky Oct 2013 #65

Same argument heard in 2007. How'd that turn out again? AtomicKitten Oct 2013 #67

She got more votes than Obama? brooklynite Oct 2013 #79

No, she didn't. AtomicKitten Oct 2013 #108

The Green Papers say otherwise. joshcryer Oct 2013 #113

"conditions" ?????? AtomicKitten Oct 2013 #124

Her administration would be prosperous for the 1% that's for sure. liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #68

And without me. pangaia Oct 2013 #83

Count me in with you n/t dflprincess Oct 2013 #97

I am not optimistic with republicans working with any Democratic President. bluestate10 Oct 2013 #70

Is there something in the water today? marmar Oct 2013 #73

It's hard to not laugh out loud when I read that Republicans would vote for Hillary because Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #75

Really. What is this shit? The republicans would work with the woman Nay Oct 2013 #90

Oh for the love of Graham4Anything BeyondGeography Oct 2013 #76

You can say that again.......... davidpdx Oct 2013 #115

Ok Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren vs. Rand Paul and Paul Ryan. Initech Oct 2013 #82

You got something wrong. It won't be 'some' on the Left, it will be a sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #84

++++++ fadedrose Oct 2013 #93

She also supports the TPP. Deal breaker. No more corporate democrats. liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #94

"4) Republican lawmakers will work with Hillary Clinton." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA DireStrike Oct 2013 #86

gosh, if its "prosperous and positive" how can anyone be upset? bobduca Oct 2013 #89

If Howard Dean runs, I'm voting for him Lifelong Dem Oct 2013 #96

"Americans over 40 remember the Clinton presidency fondly" dflprincess Oct 2013 #98

Let's take it a little more slowly. Beacool Oct 2013 #99

Awesome prediction! jsr Oct 2013 #100

I don't think its a lock that she wins. mr_liberal Oct 2013 #101

Agree with some of this, disagree with other bits, but: TDale313 Oct 2013 #102

Did I wake up in 2008? Recursion Oct 2013 #103

ROFL davidpdx Oct 2013 #116

Jumped the shark at 4. Maybe 3 quakerboy Oct 2013 #104

or DonCoquixote Oct 2013 #105

Just don't feel the love avaistheone1 Oct 2013 #107

This early sales campaign is really turning people off, imho. Marr Oct 2013 #110

Republicans don't like Hillary or Bill. JVS Oct 2013 #112

You know what Republicans love even more? Power. nyquil_man Oct 2013 #114

This breaking news just in davidpdx Oct 2013 #117

Just to be realistic BootinUp Oct 2013 #119

I'm not opposed to a second Clinton presidency RFKHumphreyObama Oct 2013 #120

G4A? idwiyo Oct 2013 #121