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In reply to the discussion: How Hillary will cruise to an easy 2016 victory and why that will upset some on the left. [View all]RFKHumphreyObama
(15,164 posts)I definitely think she is the most formidable candidate for 2016 and has the best chance of defeating the Republicans and keeping the White House under Democratic control for the next eight years. I think she will be a good President and I think she'll be a liberal President for the most part -I think your "token bone" comments are much too harsh on her.
Having said that, I think much of your post has a great deal of flawed logic in it
(1) Mostly agreed, although familiarity doesn't always guarantee success. Sometimes voters are in search of new faces, a change of direction, new policies, new vision. That was certainly the case in 2008. However, I think the political climate in 2016 will be favorable to a type of candidate like Hilary Clinton and that the attributes you ascribe to her will play in her favor
(2) I'm not American but I do remember the '90s' with fondness -it was the best decade of my life -and at least part of that was due to President Clinton's visionary, inspirational and steady leadership. However, I suspect that even Republicans who enjoyed that decade don't give President Clinton the credit he's due there. I've heard the argument before that it was the Republican Congress that guaranteed the economic prosperity and success of the 1990s by reining in the Clinton Administration and, while that argument may be completely fraudulent and bogus to the rational eye, I suspect most Republicans would rather subscribe to that deluded justification rather than give the Clinton White House its due
(3) For every average Republican who believes that, there are probably at least an equal or a greater number of Republicans who believe that the Clintons are the representation of all evil in the same way that they do about Obama. There will be Republicans who cross over to vote for Mrs. Clinton just as there were Republicans who crossed over to vote for President Obama or for John Kerry or for Bill Clinton or for Jimmy Carter and that may swing the election in her favor or add to her margin provided it is in the right states. But I doubt the evidence is there to suggest that Hilary Clinton will be held in some great esteem by the average Republican voter
(4) I think you misunderstand the intentions of Republican lawmakers in the modern era. The growing influx of tea party Republicans in Congress are not given to compromise or conciliation with any Democratic President and Hilary Clinton will be a lightning rod in the same way that Obama is now -not through any fault of her own but because she is a Democratic President. Even the more moderate conservative Republicans of the Bill Clinton era -the Gingrich folk -were determined to obstruct President Clinton's agenda at every turn even to the extent that they spent seven years trying to discredit him through his personal life -resulting in impeachment proceedings. If Clinton had won in 2008, I guarantee the Republicans would not have been any kinder with her than they were with President Obama
(5) If you really believe that, I really have no constructive words for you. Not even Roosevelt, JFK, Ronald Reagan or JFK had ratings that continuously high through their terms in office. Regardless of that, having continuous 70-ish ratings in terms of popularity isn't always a good thing. Sometimes doing the right things for the country makes you unpopular. Just ask President Carter, President Bill Clinton or President Barack Obama what their approval ratings were at times during their presidency when they made decisions and advanced policies that were in the national interest but were politically unpopular in the short-term