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randome

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152. Questioning the government is essential, I agree.

Thu Oct 31, 2013, 01:43 PM

Oct 2013

But sometimes the questioning easily leads to hyperbole. Personally, I don't have a problem with phone metadata copies being retained by the NSA but I understand the point of view of some who do. For those, the proposed legislation in the OP is a step in the right direction but I doubt it will go anywhere.

The hyperbole comes in with the NSA 'sweeping up everything' statement. They are not downloading the Internet on a daily basis.

The other NSA stuff? Their job is to spy on other countries so I can't get worked up that they are doing a much better job at that than we imagined.

I just can't see 'Free Chancellor Merkel!' as much of a rallying cry.
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