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The2ndWheel

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57. It's just a turn of phrase

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 12:37 PM

Nov 2013

Winning points as in it doesn't make you some great and special individual to be white and against racism. Or heterosexual and for LGBT rights. Or a man and pro-choice. It's just the right and decent thing to do in regards to another human being who just wants to live their life.

Alright, I didn't name every possible way men who are pro-choice can help. Sorry. I don't think that changes anything though. If you're a pro-choice male, however it is you help, great. If you're an anti-choice male, people may listen, but it's going to be people who are anti-choice.

The opinion on the choice part may mean something, but the opinion on the actual abortion part doesn't, as it's a woman's right to choose what she does with her body. Men can only be supportive of that right of choice, and can vote, endorse, protect, lobby, whatever. There probably aren't too many people on this site that would be against the choice.

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Dear DU men, this poll is for you [View all] cali Nov 2013 OP

interesting. i can see the respect in a simple answer. not a "right" answer. you worded seabeyond Nov 2013 #1

I almost added another option cali Nov 2013 #5

i think it can be done repsectfully toward everyone. would make for interesting. i am also seabeyond Nov 2013 #7

*poke* jeff47 Nov 2013 #2

I feel it's not a right for men to decide on a woman's right of choice! B Calm Nov 2013 #3

Can you explain that in more detail? cali Nov 2013 #4

I voted Very important. It's an essential right B Calm Nov 2013 #6

ah, I see what you were saying now. cali Nov 2013 #9

It's important for everyone. It is time for a male oral contraceptive. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #8

wouldn't that be great. cali Nov 2013 #11

The barrier appears to be more business and regulatory than science. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #15

you mean - not free like all the birth control I payed on my own for thirty years? bettyellen Nov 2013 #72

There's a project of the Parsemus foundation... Chan790 Nov 2013 #30

Which choice? Just the ones involving abortion or other personal choices? The Straight Story Nov 2013 #10

I think it's clear that this poll is about abortion. cali Nov 2013 #12

Your post says "How important is the issue of choice to you?" The Straight Story Nov 2013 #16

Choice is the term used by people who are pro-choice re abortion cali Nov 2013 #18

As far as helmets, their head, their choice. Or this about cost in dollars? If so.... The Straight Story Nov 2013 #21

How can a man have an opinion on something they should have no business The2ndWheel Nov 2013 #22

So it's also none of your business to have an opinion on LGBT rights or cali Nov 2013 #27

If you're white and against racism The2ndWheel Nov 2013 #44

wow. what nonsense. cali Nov 2013 #45

It's just a turn of phrase The2ndWheel Nov 2013 #57

Your underlying premise in seems to be that if one is white and anti-racist, it's merely to be a "gr LanternWaste Nov 2013 #67

If that's what you're getting from me, I guess I have to apologize The2ndWheel Nov 2013 #70

Maybe one's first failure is believing that it's about points and winning. LanternWaste Nov 2013 #66

Again, I'm saying being white and anti-racist doesn't get you anything The2ndWheel Nov 2013 #71

Anyone reading it outside of a woman's ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #36

quite a bit of that going on in this thread. cali Nov 2013 #46

Respectfully, I don't think you can assert that. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #17

I'm not clear on what you think I'm asserting. cali Nov 2013 #19

Just choice in general, for whoever, about whatever, or something specific? The2ndWheel Nov 2013 #13

Not a well-formed question, so I can't answer. closeupready Nov 2013 #14

How is it not well formed? what is the problem with the question and options cali Nov 2013 #20

Who on Earth opposes "choice" as a concept? Silliness. closeupready Nov 2013 #24

I've clarified it. Not that it wasn't obvious to begin with. cali Nov 2013 #29

Your meaning was crystal clear in the OP. Some are pretending not to understand ... 11 Bravo Nov 2013 #42

+1 It's pretty obvious! B Calm Nov 2013 #68

Choice is the ONLY Choice seveneyes Nov 2013 #23

It's very important PRETZEL Nov 2013 #25

it's primary. if they can take that right, they can take any. spanone Nov 2013 #26

You left out the 'Spent my youth at clinic defenses and still have a round blue sign' option. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #28

thank you. cali Nov 2013 #31

I am a gay man, so I kinda don't have a dog in this fight Not Me Nov 2013 #32

I'm a straight woman and I fought hard for LGBT rights in my state cali Nov 2013 #39

Sorry, did not mean to offend Not Me Nov 2013 #50

OK, so you DO have a dog in this fight cali Nov 2013 #55

It's important to me because it's important to the women in my life tularetom Nov 2013 #33

K&V Pab Sungenis Nov 2013 #34

Missing poll question: Is it a womans right to breath air? L0oniX Nov 2013 #35

Not sure how to vote. DireStrike Nov 2013 #37

Yes, it's a HUGE economic issue. cali Nov 2013 #41

Social issues are economic issues. nt Deep13 Nov 2013 #53

That seems a bit disingenuous to me. Marr Nov 2013 #60

I was discussing the real effect and not what kind of political football it is. Deep13 Nov 2013 #73

I will have to ask my wife how I feel before I can vote. Glassunion Nov 2013 #38

I think it's the rare liberal/progressive who has a problem with abortion rights. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #40

I think quite a few of the comments in the thread belie the poll results cali Nov 2013 #43

I almost never respond to polls... whttevrr Nov 2013 #47

I wish running for office depended more ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #48

Touche' whttevrr Nov 2013 #49

Just from a selfish standpoint: if they can invade a woman's bodily autonomy they can invade mine Recursion Nov 2013 #51

You have a valid point, however, if you are a man, the likelihood of them invading Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #61

A woman's right to choose is crucial for a healthy society. nt rrneck Nov 2013 #52

I will not vote for anyone who opposes abortion rights. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #54

That was easy. nt Deep13 Nov 2013 #56

Essential, people should have sovereignty over their own bodies, that is the basis on which I TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #58

Just look at my quote. A bird cannot fly with wings of different size litlbilly Nov 2013 #59

Standing up for women's rights establishes a precedent that extends to myself. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #62

I have daughters. rurallib Nov 2013 #63

Very important Broken_Hero Nov 2013 #64

Her body, her choice, an essential right n/t Tom Rinaldo Nov 2013 #65

Choose? trumad Nov 2013 #69

It is a human right to me LittleBlue Nov 2013 #74

if we don't fix our political and economic problems, a lot more women will need them. yurbud Nov 2013 #75

Edit was unnecessary... whttevrr Nov 2013 #76