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In reply to the discussion: Is "liberal washing" at the heart of discord in the Dem party? [View all]geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)13. There is no widespread discord in the Democratic party. This is fictional bullshit
being peddled to make Nader/McKinney types feel superior to mainstream liberals.
Note that Sirota prefers Ron Paul to Barack Obama, so he's qualified to speak for neither Democrats nor liberals.
The fringe is still the fringe.
http://www.salon.com/2012/01/10/what_makes_a_progressive_president/
Of course, an Obama supporter might argue that the set of issues they can agree with Paul on are less monumental than the set of issues they agree with Obama on. But dont mistake such a conversation-ending declaration as fact. On the contrary, its merely a subjective opinion and a debatable one at that. Indeed, Paul supporters would make a compelling case that its exactly the opposite that the progressive side of Pauls program relates to more pressing issues than Obamas progressive positions in this, the age of multitrillion-dollar bailouts, deficit-exploding defense budgets, assaults on the most basic tenets of the Bill of Rights and what the Pentagon now calls the era of persistent conflict (read: Permanent War). And they have a strong case to make that by virtue of the modern presidency Paul would be guaranteed to actually enact the progressive parts of his program, whereas the progressive parts of President Obamas program are more a question of congressional politics (a good example of that truism was the healthcare bill, which went from a mildly progressive White House proposal to a public-option-free boondoggle for the insurance and drug industries by the time Obama and his lobbyist friends finished massaging it through Congress).
In holding this pragmatic view, it doesnt mean Pauls progressive-minded supporters believe in the reactionary tenets of Pauls agenda (eliminating major social programs, opposing civil rights laws, ending all taxes, having a history associated with racist newsletters, etc.) any more than it means Obamas progressive-minded supporters are thrilled with all of the presidents ultra-conservative actions (wars, mass killing of civilians, trampling of civil liberties, bank bailouts, a racist drug war, etc.). It only means that theres a calculation at work one that takes into account the realities of presidential power.
In holding this pragmatic view, it doesnt mean Pauls progressive-minded supporters believe in the reactionary tenets of Pauls agenda (eliminating major social programs, opposing civil rights laws, ending all taxes, having a history associated with racist newsletters, etc.) any more than it means Obamas progressive-minded supporters are thrilled with all of the presidents ultra-conservative actions (wars, mass killing of civilians, trampling of civil liberties, bank bailouts, a racist drug war, etc.). It only means that theres a calculation at work one that takes into account the realities of presidential power.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/ron_paul_and_our_selective_definition_of_bigotry_20120120?ln
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/what-dems-dont-want-menti_b_583807.html
http://www.alternet.org/story/153246/why_do_young_voters_love_ron_paul
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Is "liberal washing" at the heart of discord in the Dem party? [View all]
nashville_brook
Nov 2013
OP
Because they're not Cruz/Bachmann/Palin speaking in tongues & waving the Rebel flag ...
Myrina
Nov 2013
#7
there's definitely a cultural liberal vs economic liberal tension emerging
nashville_brook
Nov 2013
#32
at the end of the day it's the votes that count rather than the TV appearances
nashville_brook
Nov 2013
#35
The result of "liberal washing" was the gradual death of the middle class.
Democrats_win
Nov 2013
#3
i hope not too. i think we've got lots of real liberals who wouldn't sell us out.
nashville_brook
Nov 2013
#6
I'm not sure the party has "lots of real liberals who wouldn't sell us out"...
polichick
Nov 2013
#10
Yeah, the progressive caucus is awesome - but mostly sidelined in the party...
polichick
Nov 2013
#21
There is no widespread discord in the Democratic party. This is fictional bullshit
geek tragedy
Nov 2013
#13
you realize he was poking a stick at loyalists... and your reading of that column is
nashville_brook
Nov 2013
#28
Sirota has leveled criticisms at loyalists --> does not equal support for Ron Paul
nashville_brook
Nov 2013
#30
If you oppose drones and federal drug laws, you're like Frederick Douglas apparently nt
geek tragedy
Nov 2013
#59
Seems ironic, doesn't it? But I don't think it is. I think it is exactly the pattern
GoneFishin
Nov 2013
#52
unless we push back -- it's up to us to make sure they don't get away with it!
nashville_brook
Nov 2013
#93
"veal-pen" the libs, then "bluewash" Pub policy to make it seem lefty, then have the Pubs
MisterP
Nov 2013
#23
There was a shocking amount of liberal-washing for the Citizen's United decision...
Blue_Tires
Nov 2013
#42
our biggest funders at the state level tend also to be DLC-y (not surprising)
nashville_brook
Nov 2013
#45
no one is saying that, though, are they? we're talking about identity theft...
nashville_brook
Nov 2013
#50
i think it's safe to assume that DU is the "inside baseball" conversation
nashville_brook
Nov 2013
#83
you never get a better government that whose campaigns are fully-funded.
nashville_brook
Nov 2013
#94
Perhaps it would make more sense if people looked up what "liberal" means
Cal Carpenter
Nov 2013
#63
i like that his approach is to be anti-beltway, and write from Colorado
nashville_brook
Nov 2013
#76
That's why we can't vote for just any democrat. They must have a proven track record of working for
liberal_at_heart
Nov 2013
#68
i didn't actually have class in mind on this, but i think that's the root of it...
nashville_brook
Nov 2013
#91
with both Clinton and Obama, the constant/absurd attacks from the right
nashville_brook
Nov 2013
#81
if we had a functioning Overton Window we'd have actual policy victories
nashville_brook
Nov 2013
#88
I hope so. 40 yrs. ago, activists knew when they were making concerted efforts.
Eleanors38
Nov 2013
#108
as president, Bill Clinton was adept at blurring the interests of 1% vs 99%
nashville_brook
Nov 2013
#100
i'm actually heartened by how many grok what's wrong with liberal washing
nashville_brook
Nov 2013
#106