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nashville_brook

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50. no one is saying that, though, are they? we're talking about identity theft...

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 04:57 PM

Nov 2013

you're talking about assault.

the issue is liberal washing of policy that hurts the middle class -- or, using our party's brand to advance policy that hurts the people in our party. so, when Dems support anti-middle class policy, like the Grand Bargain, or NAFTA, etc -- that's a betrayal, and we need to stand up and call them on it.

It's no okay to use our brand for Pete Peterson's billion-dollar scheme to dismantle Social Security. in case you haven't heard, many different arms of the Fix The Debt groups have been out this week touting their "bipartisan" cuts to SS.

Dems like Evan Bayh and Ed Rendell who are "blue washing" this agenda need to be stopped, and it's just too bad if they suffer for it b/c our families are suffering now, and we need help -- not more kicks in the chin.

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Is "liberal washing" at the heart of discord in the Dem party? [View all] nashville_brook Nov 2013 OP

LINO's Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #1

definitely there's some of that -- love the acronym! nashville_brook Nov 2013 #2

Because they're not Cruz/Bachmann/Palin speaking in tongues & waving the Rebel flag ... Myrina Nov 2013 #7

there's definitely a cultural liberal vs economic liberal tension emerging nashville_brook Nov 2013 #32

This. Chan790 Nov 2013 #99

In many ways the right wing Dems are more dangerous sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #104

we ignore our economic values at our own peril. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #107

The conservative corporate MSM sets up the players, like scripting a play DJ13 Nov 2013 #15

at the end of the day it's the votes that count rather than the TV appearances nashville_brook Nov 2013 #35

The result of "liberal washing" was the gradual death of the middle class. Democrats_win Nov 2013 #3

meanwhile, companies like Halliburton noiretextatique Nov 2013 #11

Literal blood money. N/t DirkGently Nov 2013 #105

eggsactly. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #74

Who does the middle class blame? loyalsister Nov 2013 #96

War is a mechanism of upward wealth redistribution. DirkGently Nov 2013 #103

Dem voters have to get a whole lot better at identifying con men and women... polichick Nov 2013 #4

i hope not too. i think we've got lots of real liberals who wouldn't sell us out. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #6

I'm not sure the party has "lots of real liberals who wouldn't sell us out"... polichick Nov 2013 #10

there's many in the progressive caucus, but a better measure is nashville_brook Nov 2013 #19

Yeah, the progressive caucus is awesome - but mostly sidelined in the party... polichick Nov 2013 #21

I agree, Polichick whathehell Nov 2013 #58

Hillary spoke to Goldman-Sachs this week for $200,000 Fee... KoKo Nov 2013 #12

same here -- i only catch Salon articles via Twitter these days. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #16

Believe me....... KoKo Nov 2013 #64

oh no... not giving up. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #77

The Clintons enjoy Pete Peterson's patronage as well. DirkGently Nov 2013 #33

OMG...Watched it and the rest of the links that went to David Gregory! KoKo Nov 2013 #66

More to the point is-- who decides? TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #5

There are as many definitons of "Liberalism" Cryptoad Nov 2013 #56

not really. "liberalism" and "progressivism" are quite easy to define. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #92

it breaks down to class issues and culture issues nashville_brook Nov 2013 #73

That's far too theoretical... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #109

I'm guessing it will be the LINO's who decide. nt LWolf Nov 2013 #85

DURec leftstreet Nov 2013 #8

If icons disapoint us, perhaps it is time to become iconoclasts. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2013 #9

i'm very sympathetic to that... nashville_brook Nov 2013 #14

There is no widespread discord in the Democratic party. This is fictional bullshit geek tragedy Nov 2013 #13

i think your post right here could be a fine "Exhibit A" of discord nashville_brook Nov 2013 #22

The point is that David Sirota is not qualified to speak on behalf of geek tragedy Nov 2013 #26

you realize he was poking a stick at loyalists... and your reading of that column is nashville_brook Nov 2013 #28

Sirota has defended the Paul clan on a number of occasions. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #29

Sirota has leveled criticisms at loyalists --> does not equal support for Ron Paul nashville_brook Nov 2013 #30

No, he lavishes false praise on the Paul clan. Ron Paul is HORRIBLE geek tragedy Nov 2013 #31

yes, we ALL get that Ron Paul is a bad person. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #36

Well, we're ALL up one on Sirota then. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #40

actually, POTUS couldn't just cut SS without it coming up in Congress nashville_brook Nov 2013 #46

With Republicans controlling the House and squishy Dems like Baucus geek tragedy Nov 2013 #47

that, we agree on. :) nashville_brook Nov 2013 #51

He thinks Ron Paul is a progressive? Jamaal510 Nov 2013 #57

If you oppose drones and federal drug laws, you're like Frederick Douglas apparently nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #59

"There's no discord, so shut up you Naderite fringe loon?" DirkGently Nov 2013 #25

Seems ironic, doesn't it? But I don't think it is. I think it is exactly the pattern GoneFishin Nov 2013 #52

i hope you're right. we seem to be full of good sense nashville_brook Nov 2013 #90

Neat trick. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #17

unless we push back -- it's up to us to make sure they don't get away with it! nashville_brook Nov 2013 #93

Assuming the logic is that liberals have to go DirkGently Nov 2013 #18

and it would be nice if we could avoid the taking of hostages... nashville_brook Nov 2013 #20

And no gigantic corporate ally will fund that effort. DirkGently Nov 2013 #24

it has to come from the true grassroots: community coalitions nashville_brook Nov 2013 #78

sucker's bet reddread Nov 2013 #110

Yep, the solution is dilution. zeemike Nov 2013 #38

"veal-pen" the libs, then "bluewash" Pub policy to make it seem lefty, then have the Pubs MisterP Nov 2013 #23

"blue wash" is a much more elegant term -- love it. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #27

Bluewash...perfict. zeemike Nov 2013 #41

I think it is more class-based. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #34

spot on. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #39

"President Obama is a socialist!" (n/t) a2liberal Nov 2013 #37

There was a shocking amount of liberal-washing for the Citizen's United decision... Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #42

expect more of that with Citizen's United 2: McKutcheon nashville_brook Nov 2013 #44

Fixing this means vetting candidates at the grass-roots level .... Scuba Nov 2013 #43

our biggest funders at the state level tend also to be DLC-y (not surprising) nashville_brook Nov 2013 #45

Comparing Cryptoad Nov 2013 #48

no one is saying that, though, are they? we're talking about identity theft... nashville_brook Nov 2013 #50

+1000. n/t GoneFishin Nov 2013 #54

There is no way of ranting about Liberal Washing Cryptoad Nov 2013 #55

I'm not sure I'm understanding what you're claiming. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #82

"Identity theft"-- good description! deurbano Nov 2013 #61

liberal washing is showering more than once daily. nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2013 #49

... nashville_brook Nov 2013 #53

What's sad is that these tactics. sendero Nov 2013 #60

Indeed... I think there are a few sincere..who are young and full of hope KoKo Nov 2013 #67

i think it's safe to assume that DU is the "inside baseball" conversation nashville_brook Nov 2013 #83

You never get better than the government you vote FOR. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #62

you never get a better government that whose campaigns are fully-funded. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #94

Perhaps it would make more sense if people looked up what "liberal" means Cal Carpenter Nov 2013 #63

NAFTA was not liberal -- no one thinks that. nashville_brook Nov 2013 #95

No one except most of the world Cal Carpenter Nov 2013 #98

I agree with Sirota most of the time and I think this is spot-on. alarimer Nov 2013 #65

i like that his approach is to be anti-beltway, and write from Colorado nashville_brook Nov 2013 #76

That's why we can't vote for just any democrat. They must have a proven track record of working for liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #68

Rahm is an unmitigated disaster for the people of Chicago nashville_brook Nov 2013 #80

The day Pres. Obama chose Rahm for Chief of Staff, he showed his cards. polichick Nov 2013 #111

Yes, and we see it on this board YoungDemCA Nov 2013 #69

i didn't actually have class in mind on this, but i think that's the root of it... nashville_brook Nov 2013 #91

CAP is not a liberal organization in my book. Jim Lane Nov 2013 #70

think tank CAPture. would be nice to create a list or a ranking nashville_brook Nov 2013 #75

du rec. xchrom Nov 2013 #71

Julien Benda: "La trahison des clercs", the treason of the intellectuals. bemildred Nov 2013 #72

will have to check this out! nashville_brook Nov 2013 #89

There might be something to that. ananda Nov 2013 #79

with both Clinton and Obama, the constant/absurd attacks from the right nashville_brook Nov 2013 #81

This. ^ Next to the Ted Cruzes of the world, DirkGently Nov 2013 #86

if we had a functioning Overton Window we'd have actual policy victories nashville_brook Nov 2013 #88

In the 60s, my brother called it the "anti-establishment establishment." Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #84

i think it's a safe assumption that a good percentage of DU folk nashville_brook Nov 2013 #87

I hope so. 40 yrs. ago, activists knew when they were making concerted efforts. Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #108

Many liberals can see right through the liberal washing. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #97

as president, Bill Clinton was adept at blurring the interests of 1% vs 99% nashville_brook Nov 2013 #100

The Clintons seemed to bite on the notion DirkGently Nov 2013 #102

yes, that is the product they were selling reddread Nov 2013 #112

I was a dem since 1975 & I changed my affiliation this summer. CrispyQ Nov 2013 #101

i'm actually heartened by how many grok what's wrong with liberal washing nashville_brook Nov 2013 #106