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jtuck004

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84. Yeah, that article touches on that, and there are many more. But

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 05:05 PM

Nov 2013

because the stuff is so thick, and I have experience with a bit of pipeline work in my past, they have to treat it just to get through, and that isn't cheap.

Trains, however, can move the stuff without treatment, so the cost differential is reduced by quite a bit. And while they can't make as much, the trains that are actually carrying it, and the upgrades and investment that are occurring right now to work around the pipeline delay stand as testimony to the fact that it is certainly somewhat profitable for the people at the top.

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Bill Moyers: Why are the contents of the TPP being deliberately kept from the American people? [View all] marmar Nov 2013 OP

Ha Cal Carpenter Nov 2013 #1

I've lost track: Was Bill Moyers already under the bus? Newsjock Nov 2013 #2

Yup, under. progressoid Nov 2013 #3

it's not a "bus"... it's a centrist parade float made to look larger fascisthunter Nov 2013 #38

Ah, it's the DU TARDIS Newsjock Nov 2013 #39

ROFL marmar Nov 2013 #93

"There would be no need to keep it so secret if it was in the interest of the public." Exactly. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #4

HA! Posted in video forum. antigop Nov 2013 #5

I just watched it again. marmar Nov 2013 #6

The assholes who sell us out to corporations need to be stopped. L0oniX Nov 2013 #47

TPP = Yes ---- Pipeline = No, The trade has already happened ... MindMover Nov 2013 #7

That's an interesting conclusion. If it would mean more power and profit down the road I could liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #8

Keystone XL delay won’t stop Canada’s oil sands growth: RBC jtuck004 Nov 2013 #22

Exactly ... there is no need to build the pipeline ... MindMover Nov 2013 #46

Yep ...heard all about the trains ...refineries getting set up for the trains. L0oniX Nov 2013 #48

This may not be completely the case karynnj Nov 2013 #82

Yeah, that article touches on that, and there are many more. But jtuck004 Nov 2013 #84

I have absolutely no pipeline experience - and was just stating Econ 102 from decades ago! nt karynnj Nov 2013 #98

They would prefer the pipeline be built, because even with the expense jtuck004 Nov 2013 #99

Why cant they have both? Dont tell me someone is worried about the reaction of the "crazy left". nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #88

that! or the pipeline hopemountain Nov 2013 #68

Well if you want to put it that way ... MindMover Nov 2013 #75

Excellent interviews! Thanks for posting nt octoberlib Nov 2013 #9

DURec leftstreet Nov 2013 #10

K&R woo me with science Nov 2013 #11

Hope this is one of many green shoots of media attention Populist_Prole Nov 2013 #12

Enlightening and frightening. Ed Suspicious Nov 2013 #13

Too late. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #14

“There would be no reason to keep it so secret if it was in the interest of the public.” ctsnowman Nov 2013 #15

Yea ...that one really stands out ....soooooooooooo obvious. L0oniX Nov 2013 #42

Watching this intelligent and informative show is a half hour well spent. pa28 Nov 2013 #16

Has the BOG banned all Moyers talking points yet? L0oniX Nov 2013 #43

Recommend. jsr Nov 2013 #17

We going to need a bigger, longer bus. There's no room left with so many under it. madfloridian Nov 2013 #18

madfloridian, great to see you posting. My education guru. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #19

No problem. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #24

If you want to attend the college of truth.... ReRe Nov 2013 #20

K&R. I have been talking this up to people, most really don't like being kept in the dark. n/t jtuck004 Nov 2013 #21

If the TPP was in the interest of the American people there would be no reason Enthusiast Nov 2013 #23

It's a sad truth jsr Nov 2013 #35

This needs many kicks and many more recommendations. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #25

Ms. Clinton is not amused solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #26

Geee ...why am I not surprised. L0oniX Nov 2013 #44

A certain Who song comes to mind. nt awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #52

"I want it, I want it, I want it.." (Obama) red dog 1 Nov 2013 #70

I was thinking awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #73

Your "Who" song is more appropriate to the OP red dog 1 Nov 2013 #74

And I don't want it misunderstood... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #78

I thought Barack Obama would be a different kind of POTUS.. red dog 1 Nov 2013 #79

you have to sell out to get that office. nt awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #83

You might want to read reply # 60 by polichick.. red dog 1 Nov 2013 #85

ka-ching! millions in corporate money hopemountain Nov 2013 #69

du rec. xchrom Nov 2013 #27

"This, to my mind, is quite a SCANDAL" Dean Baker. adirondacker Nov 2013 #28

K&R KansDem Nov 2013 #29

K & R AzDar Nov 2013 #30

Corporate lobbyists write a lot of legislation... polichick Nov 2013 #31

Es verdad. marmar Nov 2013 #34

I had to look that up - learn something new every day! polichick Nov 2013 #61

Difficult when those same corporations pre-select... Cannikin Nov 2013 #40

That's why imo the only thing voters can do right now is draft a candidate... polichick Nov 2013 #60

"Elizabeth Warren surges in new Prez poll" red dog 1 Nov 2013 #81

Now we're talking! polichick Nov 2013 #91

You are right. dotymed Nov 2013 #50

So true what you say about demanding a cost for lying... polichick Nov 2013 #59

I thought we were selecting a different kind of leader. pa28 Nov 2013 #53

It's perhaps not polite to say so, but both Clinton and Obama... polichick Nov 2013 #58

How dare you sir! Obama does not lie ...not ever! L0oniX Nov 2013 #97

K&R Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #32

Doesn't Congress have to pass this? sendero Nov 2013 #33

President Obama is asking for "Fast Track Authority" on these trade talks. bvar22 Nov 2013 #62

TPP is that brick wall Zappa referred to Oilwellian Nov 2013 #36

I'm sure there will be plenty of little prizes to hand out to the critters. nt adirondacker Nov 2013 #37

Has anyone told President Obama about this yet?? Martin Eden Nov 2013 #41

Go post about it in the BOG. L0oniX Nov 2013 #45

Has nobody flashed the Bat Signal for The Swarm yet? bvar22 Nov 2013 #64

I feel this one might take some timely groupthink to defend. nt adirondacker Nov 2013 #65

Thanks, Jury. bvar22 Nov 2013 #87

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Nov 2013 #96

lol! They don't engage on this topic, I've noticed. Marr Nov 2013 #89

as a loyal member of the bog, hopemountain Nov 2013 #71

Ah ...another one to add to my ignore dungeon. L0oniX Nov 2013 #95

Multi-dimensional chess is not for mortals. jsr Nov 2013 #51

He hasn't seen it in the papers yet! 7962 Nov 2013 #66

Good discussion. Cleita Nov 2013 #49

Yesterday, c-span 3, TPP lobbying. proverbialwisdom Nov 2013 #54

Penny Pritzker......It's like a bad joke Teamster Jeff Nov 2013 #55

K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #56

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #57

We need more Snowdens and Mannings to let us know what "our" gov't is doing. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #63

+ 1000 red dog 1 Nov 2013 #72

K&R! a must watch video TeamPooka Nov 2013 #67

Now someone please convince me ours is not a corporatist government indepat Nov 2013 #76

Shame On Big Media, Including MSNBC colsohlibgal Nov 2013 #77

K&R red dog 1 Nov 2013 #80

Just a note Mosaic Nov 2013 #86

DURec, and kick for wider exposure. bvar22 Nov 2013 #90

. blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #92

The Oligarchs, Billionaires And Millionaires Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us cantbeserious Nov 2013 #94