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TreasonousBastard

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10. I don't see the black and white in this...
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 01:06 AM
Nov 2013

OK, we all agree the wild-eyed evangelicals and their lackeys who want to criminalize abortion are completely out of line and must be stopped.

But, there are people who just can't deal with certain propositions for their own reasons. I've known good women who had all the "correct" positions on taxes, employment, other legal matters and all sorts of good lefty stuff dear to all of us while working their butts off on charitable and political projects, but just couldn't get away from the belief that life started at inception. It therefore wasn't only her personal choice, but a meta issue like the death penalty.

So, what to do? Have her club card pulled because of this one belief that runs counter to the mainstream?

The general idea is that "choice" means I can believe pretty much anything and do pretty much what I believe as long as it doesn't affect others. It's "my" choice, and I can't impose it on you.

But, there are those pesky gray areas that keep popping up and making it inconvenient to keep to the dogma. I always thought that progessivism, liberalism, and all that other good stuff we claim to believe in precludes blind acceptance of dogma. Each individual is a unique case, not an item on a list to be checked off.

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link? Ptah Nov 2013 #1
No link is necessary BainsBane Nov 2013 #3
Viewing women as less than autonomous self determined humans ... etherealtruth Nov 2013 #2
I couldn't agree more BainsBane Nov 2013 #5
Huh pintobean Nov 2013 #4
No Freddie Nov 2013 #6
Not advocacy, no. But one can be personally against abortion while still acknowledging JaneyVee Nov 2013 #7
No. Because not supportive of individual rights in progression of human rights on point Nov 2013 #8
Or call women who support choice "murderers." BainsBane Nov 2013 #9
That's what she calls women who have had abortions - supporters of choice may be spared that epithet REP Nov 2013 #15
I never saw the discussion in question BainsBane Nov 2013 #19
It's been a few years ago REP Nov 2013 #20
I don't see the black and white in this... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #10
So you believe that you have a right to control my body? BainsBane Nov 2013 #12
Actually, no. But that's your point, not mine... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #16
That isn't the question I asked BainsBane Nov 2013 #17
And I suggest I did answer it, but not with... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #22
I was extremely clear BainsBane Nov 2013 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalLoner Nov 2013 #26
Believe that a woman does not have a right to her own choices about reproductive rights? LostOne4Ever Nov 2013 #11
I'm basically in the camp you describe BainsBane Nov 2013 #13
You can be a Democrat. Not a good one, but a Democrat. nonetheless. You can't be a progressive... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #14
Easy answer. It's a big fat NO! Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #18
No. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #21
No to liberal or progressive. Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #23
There are a lot of things I don't like, but am pro-choice on The Straight Story Nov 2013 #25
Is it possible for someone to believe that they have the right to own black Zorra Nov 2013 #27
Excellent point BainsBane Nov 2013 #28
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