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23. Welcome to the 2016 presidential race. Bill and Hillary are the saviors of the party.

Mon Nov 4, 2013, 01:26 PM

Nov 2013

We must nominate them. See how they saved poor Obama.

I would not spend too long on this. They are not exactly known for their modesty anyway and some of their supporters are making it even worse.

To answer your question, the answer is NO. Obama was winning in most polls before Clinton's speech. He continued to win after. Clinton certainly helped, but he hurt as well as the media were very quick to tell us how wonderful he was.

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Did Bill Cliinton really 'win the election' for Obama in 2012 [View all] Whisp Nov 2013 OP

Obama won when he defeated Hillary leftstreet Nov 2013 #1

The OP is about 2012--not 2008 Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #3

Oh that's right! leftstreet Nov 2013 #5

No. That is ludicrous. Obama could easily have lost after 2nd debate if Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #2

The reason it was 'underwhelming' has been explained many times. Whisp Nov 2013 #7

Well, I watched it without commentary and thought Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #15

People listen to those "yappers." Clinton helped revitalize Obama's campaign when he was struggling MADem Nov 2013 #40

Well, Romney was an exceptionally bland and uninspiring opponent. DetlefK Nov 2013 #4

Do all Presidents get so 'lucky', or is it just that particular President? Whisp Nov 2013 #9

Which voters did Clinton get to that made the win then? Whisp Nov 2013 #11

What a simplistic load of shit Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #16

??? Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #34

Actually I doubt ANY Republican could have won 2008 no matter who won the nomination -except Edwards karynnj Nov 2013 #54

I know 47% who would say that. However 53% say that is bullshit lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #6

I don't think Clinton won the election for Obama. HappyMe Nov 2013 #8

Clinton's convention speech caused Democrats DonViejo Nov 2013 #10

It was a wonderful speech. It made all democratic candidates look applegrove Nov 2013 #76

Of course not. Anyone watching him at the convention would already have made up their mind. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #12

This corpmedia narrative is crafted to diminish Obama's leadership in every way they can. blm Nov 2013 #13

Oh, bullshit. No one is claiming that. Obama is a superb leader, a transformative one, too. MADem Nov 2013 #41

I am far more cynical about these 'news' reports than you. blm Nov 2013 #57

It varies wildly. MADem Nov 2013 #59

Yeah, because we Clinton supporters are evil and spend every day Beacool Nov 2013 #61

Obama won largely because Romney was an utterly cartoonish Dickensian villain. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #14

Election Results: Whisp Nov 2013 #17

It was the greatest speech of Bill Clinton's career and definitely impacted the race. onehandle Nov 2013 #18

would that impact be as significant as the Election results I posted above? Whisp Nov 2013 #19

Dunno. But I do know that President Obama barely edged out Hillary in 2008. onehandle Nov 2013 #22

I would have to disagree with that 'they are both the same'. Whisp Nov 2013 #25

Quotation Mark n., Defined... onehandle Nov 2013 #51

Oh, stop making sense and tamping down the bullshit and drama! How dare you make an adult MADem Nov 2013 #42

(S)he who smelt it, dealt it. Nine Nov 2013 #20

+1 nt MADem Nov 2013 #43

Thank you. Beacool Nov 2013 #63

I doubt if the convention speech had much impact. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2013 #21

Welcome to the 2016 presidential race. Bill and Hillary are the saviors of the party. Mass Nov 2013 #23

IIRC, a lot of reaction was along the lines of... JHB Nov 2013 #24

I'm certain Bill Clinton believes that. nt tridim Nov 2013 #26

Clinton arrogance malaise Nov 2013 #27

It's Clinton arrogance that DUers think he helped Obama? Nine Nov 2013 #74

I think he helped Obama malaise Nov 2013 #75

Though Clinton may not be able to take credit for the Obama win, he damn sure did not hurt Thinkingabout Nov 2013 #28

I lost 20 lbs and whitened my teeth with that speech!!! AtomicKitten Nov 2013 #29

"It did my taxes and cured my gout too!!" Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #38

Mitt Romney and the GOP platform and policies Freddie Nov 2013 #30

It was so delicious to see Mittie and Annie Whisp Nov 2013 #31

She's still mad she can't get her $$ back on the curtains she ordered Freddie Nov 2013 #37

Actually that is the simple truth karynnj Nov 2013 #49

O yes indeed. Jimmy Carter's grandson Whisp Nov 2013 #50

It didn't hurt leftynyc Nov 2013 #32

It has been said here many times Whisp Nov 2013 #33

I've been here for a very long leftynyc Nov 2013 #36

This is a very specific slam, make no mistake--and it's beneath DU. nt MADem Nov 2013 #44

You would think leftynyc Nov 2013 #47

+1 nt MADem Nov 2013 #55

People who say that want to take credit away from Obama Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #35

+1000000000 Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #39

I swear to god, you people keep this shit up and we're gonna lose. Iggo Nov 2013 #45

I know what that's like Whisp Nov 2013 #48

No - There is no way to win an election by even the most electric, cogent speech at a convention karynnj Nov 2013 #46

I wouldn't think so. JoeyT Nov 2013 #52

I don't think so. kentuck Nov 2013 #53

No, but it sure didn't hurt. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #56

he helped gopiscrap Nov 2013 #58

The only undercurrent that I smell is the B.S. emanating from this thread. Beacool Nov 2013 #60

The discord was sown against Obama here a long time ago Whisp Nov 2013 #66

Too hurtful? Sweets, what's annoying is the constant nonsense you write. Beacool Nov 2013 #67

It's strange that you can't help yourself Whisp Nov 2013 #68

Someone has to push back........... Beacool Nov 2013 #69

What does 'I'm hearing this' mean? Where are you hearing this? Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #62

Whisp thought it would be productive to continue this thread: Nine Nov 2013 #73

Bingo!! Beacool Nov 2013 #77

ah, I see. It's 'nonsense' now Whisp Nov 2013 #83

The speech was pretty much forgotten after the first debate fried eggs Nov 2013 #64

"The undercurrent of this has a smell to it that we should all recognize."... SidDithers Nov 2013 #65

No, he didn't Prophet 451 Nov 2013 #70

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #71

no, but he definitely helped. so when people slam bill clinton, it pays to remember that he La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #72

Clinton is all about Clinton.. stillcool Nov 2013 #78

The election was all about who could turn out the base Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #79

Bill was more like Shankapotomus Nov 2013 #80

He may have been responsible for some dems Whisp Nov 2013 #82

No, I would never take that victory away from Barack Shankapotomus Nov 2013 #84

He gave a powerful speech and it helped get out the vote. B Calm Nov 2013 #81