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phleshdef

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11. Christie has maintained between a 65-70% approval rating for awhile now.

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 01:23 AM

Nov 2013

I stick to the math. And my completely objective opinion, based on the math, is that it would've been throwing party money away. Executives with high approval ratings like that rarely if ever get beaten in incumbency.

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Would Howard Dean have refused to back Christie's opponent? [View all] MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 OP

Yea, but Howard Dean hasn't seen the wisdom ($$$) of 3rd-Way politics. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #1

. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #6

UNREC brooklynite Nov 2013 #2

The OP is refering to prominent NJ Democrats who FogerRox Nov 2013 #89

The OP also insinuates that Dean as DNC Chair would have played an active role in the Buono campaign brooklynite Nov 2013 #107

So what's your point after all that? Do you support Christie? Do you hate Gov Dean? rhett o rick Nov 2013 #101

My UNREC is for misleading people about Dean's role as DNC Chair brooklynite Nov 2013 #105

Prominent Democrats supported a Republican Candidate. That is a FACT now. Not the first time either sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #103

The anger out there? brooklynite Nov 2013 #109

I don't spend much time at DU. You need to get out there and start interacting with Progressive Dems sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #112

Name some names... brooklynite Nov 2013 #114

Oh, it started way before Buono. But this latest betrayal will only motivate them further I am sure. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #115

So the answer is....none brooklynite Nov 2013 #116

Where have you been? Are you really unaware of the Coalition that was formed before the 2012 sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #121

Then it should be easy to point to their op-ed / website / email expressing their anger over NJ brooklynite Nov 2013 #122

Stop the games.. Jakes Progress Nov 2013 #124

Here is a series of links. Follow them for names, etc. Over 50 Dem NJ leaders supported Christie. madfloridian Nov 2013 #132

I'm not disputing that it happened...I'm disputing that it's a big deal brooklynite Nov 2013 #133

They threw their support behind an extremist. There is no excuse for that. madfloridian Nov 2013 #134

Don't bother OP when he's found something to use against Democrats treestar Nov 2013 #117

No. That was done by party members in New Jersey. Jakes Progress Nov 2013 #125

The reason he loves this subject treestar Nov 2013 #127

Way to snark and duck. Jakes Progress Nov 2013 #131

I don't jump on such conditions in order to prove the Democrats wrong treestar Nov 2013 #149

More ducking. No stand? Jakes Progress Nov 2013 #163

Do I understand that you are supporting the NJ Democrats that supported Christie? rhett o rick Nov 2013 #142

No I do not treestar Nov 2013 #146

Calling my post stupid only shows a desperation. No need for that. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #148

OP is pitting Dean against Obama treestar Nov 2013 #150

Your post adds nothing to the discussion except derision. Is that your intent? rhett o rick Nov 2013 #137

That's not an excuse treestar Nov 2013 #145

There are Democrats that support Christie. Are you saying we should embrace them as fellow rhett o rick Nov 2013 #147

Hey! RobertEarl Nov 2013 #3

Spending money to beat Christie was pretty much guaranteed to be a complete waste of money. phleshdef Nov 2013 #4

Wrong. RobertEarl Nov 2013 #9

Christie has maintained between a 65-70% approval rating for awhile now. phleshdef Nov 2013 #11

He's not one of us RobertEarl Nov 2013 #15

No, he isn't. And thats beside the point. Republicans do the same thing by the way. phleshdef Nov 2013 #19

65 - 70%? SoapBox Nov 2013 #69

It was in the mid 50s before Hurricane Sandy. phleshdef Nov 2013 #74

Apparently it was a tactical and financial decision. Not ideological. pinto Nov 2013 #5

Dean Had A 50 State Strategy... The Dem Establishment... Not So Much... WillyT Nov 2013 #7

Yea but Howard Dean's 50 state strategy includes embracing blue dogs. phleshdef Nov 2013 #13

Yeah, Dean defended Blue Dogs. joshcryer Nov 2013 #24

And all other Democratic nominees. nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #30

Dean endorses every single Democratic nominee? joshcryer Nov 2013 #34

As far as a I know. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #35

I know he didn't endorse Anthony Weiner. joshcryer Nov 2013 #39

Weiner is a deviant. nt awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #75

Did Dean endorse Weiner's Opponent? n/t Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #120

Essex Cnty Exec Dem Joe Dee. endorsed Chstire in June. FogerRox Nov 2013 #92

The OPs problem is they don't accept the fact that there aren't enough diehard liberal voters.... phleshdef Nov 2013 #33

It's hard to take it seriously, really. joshcryer Nov 2013 #44

Ideologues generally flunk math. nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #56

+1...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #79

Achievable Way treestar Nov 2013 #119

Excellent point treestar Nov 2013 #118

Did Howard Dean go to New Jersey to campaign for Bono? bluestate10 Nov 2013 #8

Did Obama? RobertEarl Nov 2013 #14

the OP is about Dean and who/what he would have done JI7 Nov 2013 #17

Don't let facts get in the way of a good rant. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #37

The dynamic is the same as what is happing on the republican side. bluestate10 Nov 2013 #83

I've been listening to beck ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #106

This post is the ONLY thing that explains the head-bangingly stupid "we hate centrists" extremism Number23 Nov 2013 #159

I think Gov Dean has been exiled from the Democratic Party Machine which is rhett o rick Nov 2013 #90

Dean was in NJ for Bouno, repeatedly FogerRox Nov 2013 #94

did Howard Dean do anything to support Buono ? Dean raised funds for Terry McAuliffe JI7 Nov 2013 #10

Nope, DFA didn't donate a dime to Buono. joshcryer Nov 2013 #23

Neither Dean nor DFA contributed money to Buono or did fund raising. grantcart Nov 2013 #77

k+r ... TeeYiYi Nov 2013 #12

NJ Lost! adirondacker Nov 2013 #20

Yes they did... TeeYiYi Nov 2013 #45

Know the feeling... adirondacker Nov 2013 #63

Yeah, Dean helped crush Schwarzenegger in California in 2006. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #16

did Dean express support for Buono for Gov the way he has for Hillary for PResident ? JI7 Nov 2013 #18

Not at all. Dean unreservedly endorsed Buono. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #22

so why didn't he donate any money to her campaign the way he did for McAuliffe ? JI7 Nov 2013 #25

At least he *endorsed* her. Unreservedly. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #28

i would say he unreservedly supported McAuliffe by donating to him JI7 Nov 2013 #31

Why didn't Obama and other Democratic leaders even endorse Buono? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #32

your OP is about howard dean , it's already been said by others that they didn'tt hink she could JI7 Nov 2013 #36

I said that Dean would support her. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #43

but Dean himself raised money for McAuliffe which he didn't do for Buono JI7 Nov 2013 #47

Dean endorsed Buono, not Christie. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #51

Dean had time to raise money for McAuliffe, are you seriously suggesting he didn't do it for Buono JI7 Nov 2013 #55

Again: did Obama refuse to endorse Buono because he was too busy, or MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #59

Obama didn't think she could win , he endorsed De Blasio JI7 Nov 2013 #62

Dean was in NJ for Bouno, repeatedly FogerRox Nov 2013 #96

His brother runs DFA tabbycat31 Nov 2013 #143

After all the flack, the bottom line is that Dean supported Buono and the Conservative rhett o rick Nov 2013 #141

He didn't need to endorse Warren. He fucking hired her for awhile not long before the election. phleshdef Nov 2013 #40

Oh, and Obama kicked her out of the CFPB, don't forget! joshcryer Nov 2013 #48

Yea and nevermind that he appointed Richard Cordray, who Warren endorsed. phleshdef Nov 2013 #57

Dean was NJ many times to campaign for her. FogerRox Nov 2013 #95

do you have a link to Dean campaigning for her and donating to her JI7 Nov 2013 #99

I said NJ4 DFA, thats not Dean or DFA, its a State PAC. FogerRox Nov 2013 #108

i'm talking about Howard Dean himself , i don't doubt JI7 Nov 2013 #113

The point of the OP is that not only did some prominant NJ Democrats not support rhett o rick Nov 2013 #138

Dean's PAC didn't give Buono a DIME. joshcryer Nov 2013 #21

They did however post several impassioned threads in various discussion forums. grantcart Nov 2013 #26

Does Howard Dean run DFA? nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #46

He is the founder. joshcryer Nov 2013 #50

So, uh, why don't you go check? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #52

Why don't you? joshcryer Nov 2013 #58

Who's that guy who has the title of "Chair"? nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #60

His brother. We're going in Circles. joshcryer Nov 2013 #65

Manny is often disingenuos... He can't accept when he's been proven wrong. scheming daemons Nov 2013 #84

What I find interesting is the fervor that the Conservative-Democrats are rationalizing the rhett o rick Nov 2013 #139

Yep. The only thing more humorous than his obvious "disingenousness" is his small cadre of ever so Number23 Nov 2013 #160

You are 100% correct FogerRox Nov 2013 #110

His brother Jim Dean runs DFA FogerRox Nov 2013 #97

No. nt Deep13 Nov 2013 #27

Was it that hard to be the winningest RZM Nov 2013 #29

Also, I think people misunderstand the 50 state strategy Recursion Nov 2013 #38

How many people thought Dems would win back both houses? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #41

No, they won because people were pissed at Bush. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #49

$20 if you can find a single mainstream prediction from before the election MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #54

That was easy. Pay up. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #61

Mainstream? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #64

You've never heard of Larry Sabato? geek tragedy Nov 2013 #66

I'll expect your $20 bitcoin tip any minute now. joshcryer Nov 2013 #68

Real Clear politics poll average showed D+6 in 2006 geek tragedy Nov 2013 #70

It's never a shock. joshcryer Nov 2013 #72

Looks like you win MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #71

I think your brain is misremembering. joshcryer Nov 2013 #73

Almost every prediction in the lead up to '06 predicted a dem sweep scheming daemons Nov 2013 #85

Dems should of just focused on the crap roads and tolls through go west young man Nov 2013 #42

I'm so glad you are calling them out on it. Anyone who dares criticize any democrat is getting liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #53

Which Dean? 2004 Dean or 2013 Dean? merrily Nov 2013 #67

By not fighting hard against Christie, the leadership of the Democratic Party has set Christie JDPriestly Nov 2013 #76

To the general public, the Democrats not fighting Christie is almost like endorsing him. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #78

Yes. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #81

Dems in NJ endorsed Christie FogerRox Nov 2013 #98

Fock them. They should be ex-communicated from the Party. But that doesnt excuse the national rhett o rick Nov 2013 #100

Who in the national Democratic Party endorsed Christie? Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2013 #135

Who in the national Democratic Party came out against Christie? nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #136

I dunno Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2013 #153

Buono was damned with faint praise. And those Dems that supported the REpublican, her opponent, rhett o rick Nov 2013 #155

It is shitty politics...had the Dems supported Buono a little, there wouldn't have joeybee12 Nov 2013 #80

It's also just bending over. Content in the role of Washington Generals. Everybody still gets paid. chimpymustgo Nov 2013 #126

Howard Dean, being a smart tactician, would not have wasted $$ in NJ. I love Howard.... scheming daemons Nov 2013 #82

This thread is evidence that people reflexively rec Manny's threads... scheming daemons Nov 2013 #86

maybe they are afraid what they read JI7 Nov 2013 #93

I read it, I'll recommend it. In fact, I read all of the replies also. 99Forever Nov 2013 #128

Yup... SidDithers Nov 2013 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author brooklynite Nov 2013 #87

Automatic Manny rec. Autumn Nov 2013 #88

The Third Way types are stoked that Christie won. It is what they wanted. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #91

I wonder how many cristie for president types are posting here. Jakes Progress Nov 2013 #104

I would guess ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #111

Libertarian Rand Paul for President types, on the other hand...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #130

My guess is 6 to 8. They show their hand when they deride an OP that is disgusted with rhett o rick Nov 2013 #144

I think you ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #152

I see turn-coat DEmocrats supporting a Republican and some here supporting their decision. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #156

I saw DUers condemning ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #158

I see posters being critical of the OP which is critical of turn-coat Dems supporting Christie. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #162

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #164

No. Because he is a Democrat. Not a reagan democrat. Jakes Progress Nov 2013 #102

OK, lets say we knew DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #123

I think this thread shows that the Conservative-Democrats support Christie. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #140

It shows pathetic weakness for any Dem to support Sideshow Blob. JEB Nov 2013 #151

Slow day at the manufactured outrage widget factory. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #154

So you see a need to disparage those that are not happy with Democrats voting rhett o rick Nov 2013 #157

Haven't we had 10 or so OPs on this topic? JoePhilly Nov 2013 #165

Howard Dean for Hillary 2016. ProSense Nov 2013 #161