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16. Yeah, Dean helped crush Schwarzenegger in California in 2006.

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Wed Nov 6, 2013, 01:30 AM

Nov 2013

Christie was never in danger of losing. Reality is harsh.

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Would Howard Dean have refused to back Christie's opponent? [View all] MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 OP

Yea, but Howard Dean hasn't seen the wisdom ($$$) of 3rd-Way politics. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #1

. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #6

UNREC brooklynite Nov 2013 #2

The OP is refering to prominent NJ Democrats who FogerRox Nov 2013 #89

The OP also insinuates that Dean as DNC Chair would have played an active role in the Buono campaign brooklynite Nov 2013 #107

So what's your point after all that? Do you support Christie? Do you hate Gov Dean? rhett o rick Nov 2013 #101

My UNREC is for misleading people about Dean's role as DNC Chair brooklynite Nov 2013 #105

Prominent Democrats supported a Republican Candidate. That is a FACT now. Not the first time either sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #103

The anger out there? brooklynite Nov 2013 #109

I don't spend much time at DU. You need to get out there and start interacting with Progressive Dems sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #112

Name some names... brooklynite Nov 2013 #114

Oh, it started way before Buono. But this latest betrayal will only motivate them further I am sure. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #115

So the answer is....none brooklynite Nov 2013 #116

Where have you been? Are you really unaware of the Coalition that was formed before the 2012 sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #121

Then it should be easy to point to their op-ed / website / email expressing their anger over NJ brooklynite Nov 2013 #122

Stop the games.. Jakes Progress Nov 2013 #124

Here is a series of links. Follow them for names, etc. Over 50 Dem NJ leaders supported Christie. madfloridian Nov 2013 #132

I'm not disputing that it happened...I'm disputing that it's a big deal brooklynite Nov 2013 #133

They threw their support behind an extremist. There is no excuse for that. madfloridian Nov 2013 #134

Don't bother OP when he's found something to use against Democrats treestar Nov 2013 #117

No. That was done by party members in New Jersey. Jakes Progress Nov 2013 #125

The reason he loves this subject treestar Nov 2013 #127

Way to snark and duck. Jakes Progress Nov 2013 #131

I don't jump on such conditions in order to prove the Democrats wrong treestar Nov 2013 #149

More ducking. No stand? Jakes Progress Nov 2013 #163

Do I understand that you are supporting the NJ Democrats that supported Christie? rhett o rick Nov 2013 #142

No I do not treestar Nov 2013 #146

Calling my post stupid only shows a desperation. No need for that. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #148

OP is pitting Dean against Obama treestar Nov 2013 #150

Your post adds nothing to the discussion except derision. Is that your intent? rhett o rick Nov 2013 #137

That's not an excuse treestar Nov 2013 #145

There are Democrats that support Christie. Are you saying we should embrace them as fellow rhett o rick Nov 2013 #147

Hey! RobertEarl Nov 2013 #3

Spending money to beat Christie was pretty much guaranteed to be a complete waste of money. phleshdef Nov 2013 #4

Wrong. RobertEarl Nov 2013 #9

Christie has maintained between a 65-70% approval rating for awhile now. phleshdef Nov 2013 #11

He's not one of us RobertEarl Nov 2013 #15

No, he isn't. And thats beside the point. Republicans do the same thing by the way. phleshdef Nov 2013 #19

65 - 70%? SoapBox Nov 2013 #69

It was in the mid 50s before Hurricane Sandy. phleshdef Nov 2013 #74

Apparently it was a tactical and financial decision. Not ideological. pinto Nov 2013 #5

Dean Had A 50 State Strategy... The Dem Establishment... Not So Much... WillyT Nov 2013 #7

Yea but Howard Dean's 50 state strategy includes embracing blue dogs. phleshdef Nov 2013 #13

Yeah, Dean defended Blue Dogs. joshcryer Nov 2013 #24

And all other Democratic nominees. nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #30

Dean endorses every single Democratic nominee? joshcryer Nov 2013 #34

As far as a I know. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #35

I know he didn't endorse Anthony Weiner. joshcryer Nov 2013 #39

Weiner is a deviant. nt awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #75

Did Dean endorse Weiner's Opponent? n/t Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #120

Essex Cnty Exec Dem Joe Dee. endorsed Chstire in June. FogerRox Nov 2013 #92

The OPs problem is they don't accept the fact that there aren't enough diehard liberal voters.... phleshdef Nov 2013 #33

It's hard to take it seriously, really. joshcryer Nov 2013 #44

Ideologues generally flunk math. nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #56

+1...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #79

Achievable Way treestar Nov 2013 #119

Excellent point treestar Nov 2013 #118

Did Howard Dean go to New Jersey to campaign for Bono? bluestate10 Nov 2013 #8

Did Obama? RobertEarl Nov 2013 #14

the OP is about Dean and who/what he would have done JI7 Nov 2013 #17

Don't let facts get in the way of a good rant. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #37

The dynamic is the same as what is happing on the republican side. bluestate10 Nov 2013 #83

I've been listening to beck ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #106

This post is the ONLY thing that explains the head-bangingly stupid "we hate centrists" extremism Number23 Nov 2013 #159

I think Gov Dean has been exiled from the Democratic Party Machine which is rhett o rick Nov 2013 #90

Dean was in NJ for Bouno, repeatedly FogerRox Nov 2013 #94

did Howard Dean do anything to support Buono ? Dean raised funds for Terry McAuliffe JI7 Nov 2013 #10

Nope, DFA didn't donate a dime to Buono. joshcryer Nov 2013 #23

Neither Dean nor DFA contributed money to Buono or did fund raising. grantcart Nov 2013 #77

k+r ... TeeYiYi Nov 2013 #12

NJ Lost! adirondacker Nov 2013 #20

Yes they did... TeeYiYi Nov 2013 #45

Know the feeling... adirondacker Nov 2013 #63

Yeah, Dean helped crush Schwarzenegger in California in 2006. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #16

did Dean express support for Buono for Gov the way he has for Hillary for PResident ? JI7 Nov 2013 #18

Not at all. Dean unreservedly endorsed Buono. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #22

so why didn't he donate any money to her campaign the way he did for McAuliffe ? JI7 Nov 2013 #25

At least he *endorsed* her. Unreservedly. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #28

i would say he unreservedly supported McAuliffe by donating to him JI7 Nov 2013 #31

Why didn't Obama and other Democratic leaders even endorse Buono? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #32

your OP is about howard dean , it's already been said by others that they didn'tt hink she could JI7 Nov 2013 #36

I said that Dean would support her. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #43

but Dean himself raised money for McAuliffe which he didn't do for Buono JI7 Nov 2013 #47

Dean endorsed Buono, not Christie. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #51

Dean had time to raise money for McAuliffe, are you seriously suggesting he didn't do it for Buono JI7 Nov 2013 #55

Again: did Obama refuse to endorse Buono because he was too busy, or MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #59

Obama didn't think she could win , he endorsed De Blasio JI7 Nov 2013 #62

Dean was in NJ for Bouno, repeatedly FogerRox Nov 2013 #96

His brother runs DFA tabbycat31 Nov 2013 #143

After all the flack, the bottom line is that Dean supported Buono and the Conservative rhett o rick Nov 2013 #141

He didn't need to endorse Warren. He fucking hired her for awhile not long before the election. phleshdef Nov 2013 #40

Oh, and Obama kicked her out of the CFPB, don't forget! joshcryer Nov 2013 #48

Yea and nevermind that he appointed Richard Cordray, who Warren endorsed. phleshdef Nov 2013 #57

Dean was NJ many times to campaign for her. FogerRox Nov 2013 #95

do you have a link to Dean campaigning for her and donating to her JI7 Nov 2013 #99

I said NJ4 DFA, thats not Dean or DFA, its a State PAC. FogerRox Nov 2013 #108

i'm talking about Howard Dean himself , i don't doubt JI7 Nov 2013 #113

The point of the OP is that not only did some prominant NJ Democrats not support rhett o rick Nov 2013 #138

Dean's PAC didn't give Buono a DIME. joshcryer Nov 2013 #21

They did however post several impassioned threads in various discussion forums. grantcart Nov 2013 #26

Does Howard Dean run DFA? nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #46

He is the founder. joshcryer Nov 2013 #50

So, uh, why don't you go check? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #52

Why don't you? joshcryer Nov 2013 #58

Who's that guy who has the title of "Chair"? nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #60

His brother. We're going in Circles. joshcryer Nov 2013 #65

Manny is often disingenuos... He can't accept when he's been proven wrong. scheming daemons Nov 2013 #84

What I find interesting is the fervor that the Conservative-Democrats are rationalizing the rhett o rick Nov 2013 #139

Yep. The only thing more humorous than his obvious "disingenousness" is his small cadre of ever so Number23 Nov 2013 #160

You are 100% correct FogerRox Nov 2013 #110

His brother Jim Dean runs DFA FogerRox Nov 2013 #97

No. nt Deep13 Nov 2013 #27

Was it that hard to be the winningest RZM Nov 2013 #29

Also, I think people misunderstand the 50 state strategy Recursion Nov 2013 #38

How many people thought Dems would win back both houses? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #41

No, they won because people were pissed at Bush. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #49

$20 if you can find a single mainstream prediction from before the election MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #54

That was easy. Pay up. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #61

Mainstream? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #64

You've never heard of Larry Sabato? geek tragedy Nov 2013 #66

I'll expect your $20 bitcoin tip any minute now. joshcryer Nov 2013 #68

Real Clear politics poll average showed D+6 in 2006 geek tragedy Nov 2013 #70

It's never a shock. joshcryer Nov 2013 #72

Looks like you win MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #71

I think your brain is misremembering. joshcryer Nov 2013 #73

Almost every prediction in the lead up to '06 predicted a dem sweep scheming daemons Nov 2013 #85

Dems should of just focused on the crap roads and tolls through go west young man Nov 2013 #42

I'm so glad you are calling them out on it. Anyone who dares criticize any democrat is getting liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #53

Which Dean? 2004 Dean or 2013 Dean? merrily Nov 2013 #67

By not fighting hard against Christie, the leadership of the Democratic Party has set Christie JDPriestly Nov 2013 #76

To the general public, the Democrats not fighting Christie is almost like endorsing him. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #78

Yes. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #81

Dems in NJ endorsed Christie FogerRox Nov 2013 #98

Fock them. They should be ex-communicated from the Party. But that doesnt excuse the national rhett o rick Nov 2013 #100

Who in the national Democratic Party endorsed Christie? Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2013 #135

Who in the national Democratic Party came out against Christie? nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #136

I dunno Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2013 #153

Buono was damned with faint praise. And those Dems that supported the REpublican, her opponent, rhett o rick Nov 2013 #155

It is shitty politics...had the Dems supported Buono a little, there wouldn't have joeybee12 Nov 2013 #80

It's also just bending over. Content in the role of Washington Generals. Everybody still gets paid. chimpymustgo Nov 2013 #126

Howard Dean, being a smart tactician, would not have wasted $$ in NJ. I love Howard.... scheming daemons Nov 2013 #82

This thread is evidence that people reflexively rec Manny's threads... scheming daemons Nov 2013 #86

maybe they are afraid what they read JI7 Nov 2013 #93

I read it, I'll recommend it. In fact, I read all of the replies also. 99Forever Nov 2013 #128

Yup... SidDithers Nov 2013 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author brooklynite Nov 2013 #87

Automatic Manny rec. Autumn Nov 2013 #88

The Third Way types are stoked that Christie won. It is what they wanted. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #91

I wonder how many cristie for president types are posting here. Jakes Progress Nov 2013 #104

I would guess ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #111

Libertarian Rand Paul for President types, on the other hand...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #130

My guess is 6 to 8. They show their hand when they deride an OP that is disgusted with rhett o rick Nov 2013 #144

I think you ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #152

I see turn-coat DEmocrats supporting a Republican and some here supporting their decision. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #156

I saw DUers condemning ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #158

I see posters being critical of the OP which is critical of turn-coat Dems supporting Christie. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #162

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #164

No. Because he is a Democrat. Not a reagan democrat. Jakes Progress Nov 2013 #102

OK, lets say we knew DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #123

I think this thread shows that the Conservative-Democrats support Christie. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #140

It shows pathetic weakness for any Dem to support Sideshow Blob. JEB Nov 2013 #151

Slow day at the manufactured outrage widget factory. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #154

So you see a need to disparage those that are not happy with Democrats voting rhett o rick Nov 2013 #157

Haven't we had 10 or so OPs on this topic? JoePhilly Nov 2013 #165

Howard Dean for Hillary 2016. ProSense Nov 2013 #161