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MADem

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84. The answer is, you don't support it.

Fri Nov 8, 2013, 12:00 PM

Nov 2013

He also said "Who am I to judge?"

So...do we go with his nasty ass comments as a Cardinal, or his less strident remarks as Pope?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/30/opinion/a-papal-surprise-humility.html?_r=0

I think watching this guy's evolution is interesting. He has a lot of people in his church. Where he goes, they follow (even if many of them are already there).

Discussion of what the Pope thinks and where the Catholic Church is headed IS a valid topic here--an awful lot of Democrats are Catholics, and to paint them with a broad brush a a bunch of bigots and haters, just because their leadership isn't optimized yet, is as much of a mistake as taking the comments of the former Cardinal Bergoglio as some kind of manifesto.

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I love it. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #1

Photo here: Coyotl Nov 2013 #120

Thanks. Great pic. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #123

It must be a miracle itsrobert Nov 2013 #2

His car is only 2 years older than mine.... MADem Nov 2013 #10

i had an 81 renault 18i. loved it, but DesertFlower Nov 2013 #16

I had an '86 Alliance WCIL Nov 2013 #40

i paid almost $10,000 for mine (new). DesertFlower Nov 2013 #133

It is. liberalmuse Nov 2013 #101

My dad drove a 1983 Dodge Rampage when he died in 2010... Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #106

oh joy... Another 'look how great the pope is' thread... Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #3

Wow, Bitter Much? dballance Nov 2013 #5

Bitter... No. I just don't get all this love for someone so against liberal values Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #7

The Pope isn't infallible all of the time Mz Pip Nov 2013 #12

Not doing it is the whole problem Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #19

Shows you've no idea what your talking about. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #33

You understand that flinging your own dogmatic theology does not excuse the anti gay bullshit Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #38

+1 nt Javaman Nov 2013 #44

Agreed Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #49

The Pope has a raft of Don Drapers all his own. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #52

Once again you verge on accusing someone of being anti-gay. All the DU'er you responded to did KittyWampus Nov 2013 #65

I am directly saying that Francis is anti gay and that spouting Catholic dogma does not excuse that. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #68

And I came back to add this: if you don't want to talk about the politicss of the Pope, don't make Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #74

Anyone who supports an anti-gay person (in general) supports anti-gay views, by extension. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #79

That looks to prove what I said... Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #57

The pope just can't make infallible doctrine Shivering Jemmy Nov 2013 #32

These 'We love the anti gay leader' threads are intentional attacks on minority peoples. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #37

+1...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #9

Direct your gaze at the thread-starting post. MADem Nov 2013 #11

The pope avoids sycophants... Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #18

Well, your comment isn't supported; I don't think John F. Kennedy was a "blind follower." MADem Nov 2013 #24

Non-sense Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #42

No it isn't "non-sense" at all. Why would you have to go to the lengths to use the MADem Nov 2013 #83

It is not an insult, it is a fact Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #94

For someone who purports to be such a know-it-all on this topic, you are incredibly defensive! MADem Nov 2013 #98

"Everyone here"... Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #102

Now you purport to know the bona fides of "everyone here" on DU! MADem Nov 2013 #112

Yes... I assume all of DU is for equal rights Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #115

Now you pretend that people who are pleased at the Pope's progress are not "for equal rights." MADem Nov 2013 #117

Perhaps you should take your own advice Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #121

Blind hatred, a good description of your posts... Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #34

Again... Non-sense Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #47

" A familiar theme I am seeing from the defenders of this asshole" Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #48

Extremely clear thinking... Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #51

As a lapsed Catholic who had turned his back on the church, because of the sex scandals Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #53

He says gay couples are an attack on God. How can you support that? Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #59

The answer is, you don't support it. MADem Nov 2013 #84

ahhh... Declare victory and leave... heh Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #60

When asked specifically about the anti gay and anti woman policies, they refuse to attempt a reply Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #66

+1 Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #13

The Pope is changing attitudes and hearts. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #21

How very nice... Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #23

He has changed actual policies. Glassunion Nov 2013 #107

Really? Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #108

You made a simple statement: "Let me know when he change actual policies" Glassunion Nov 2013 #109

No, not my point at all Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #114

Yep Dorian Gray Nov 2013 #28

Compassion and simplicity are very nice... Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #61

Is it difficult for you to skip threads that make you so angry? sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #80

What makes you think I'm angry? Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #82

I can't think of another conservative leader out there that gets the sort ... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #91

Agreed Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #96

Lots of Dems have had 'fucked up views' on issues like Gay Marriage eg. Yet I bet you sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #128

Oh goody. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #4

You've inspired me. I like this Pope. I think I'll start posting threads about him cali Nov 2013 #25

Let me know. xmas74 Nov 2013 #29

lol will do cali Nov 2013 #30

So you stand with the world's leading Pro Life activist? Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #55

And I'll reply to every one of them with haughty derision. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #76

I like this Pope, too. 840high Nov 2013 #81

So basically open support of an anti gay leader is your plan? eqfan592 Nov 2013 #85

I am the person on DU who posts- by far and away- the most ops in support of abortion rights cali Nov 2013 #118

It won't be difficult, given your vehement support for one of the... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #125

first of all, it's not vehement, hon. cali Nov 2013 #130

He is not anti gay and is the first pope to attack Fundies, here, for their obsession sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #127

Cool. Will be supporting this pope in all future threads. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #35

Stay classy. nt COLGATE4 Nov 2013 #36

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The real miracle fadedrose Nov 2013 #6

He is one of them. In Argentina he got famous attacking gay people with venomous hate speech. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #41

Actually, the real miracle is if it moves under it's own power... snooper2 Nov 2013 #63

Funny. Brigid Nov 2013 #8

TY, babs. Brace yourself, though... Hekate Nov 2013 #14

Threads about religion are against the SOP of GD, but if they followed the rules the Pope fans would Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #58

This is not a thread about religion--it's a thread about a 1984 car with 190,000 km on it, that is MADem Nov 2013 #90

wtf are you going on about? babylonsister Nov 2013 #104

+1,000 !!!! I find it funny that someone who affects a disregard for religions is MADem Nov 2013 #113

"move on" when we see material openly supporting and promoting... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #126

Christ on a trailer hitch Hekate Nov 2013 #111

I agree religion posts do not belong here. This post is about a car so I doubt it will be locked. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #122

It appears the Renault missed the planned obsolescence plan. I wonder how they get parts for it. n/t freshwest Nov 2013 #15

i thought that caller last week on "click n clack" sounded familiar. uncle ray Nov 2013 #17

LOL! Nine Nov 2013 #27

Sister Bertrille called Fumesucker Nov 2013 #20

I think that it is good that the Pope wants to keep things Simple. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #22

He says gay couples are an attack on God. That's simple alright. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #50

I pray he has a change of heart. I think he was just pushing the party line. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #87

I hope all bigots have a change of heart . eqfan592 Nov 2013 #88

I left the church for it's anti gay views and became Episcopalain. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #92

I do hope you're correct. nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #93

I'm non religious and I love this Pope madokie Nov 2013 #26

+1 CountAllVotes Nov 2013 #31

Francis says gay couples are 'an attack on God' and that gay parents are a 'form of child abuse' Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #45

He said that as a Cardinal. As a Pope, he said "Who am I to judge?" MADem Nov 2013 #95

ALL popes say that. It's been in the Catechism for years. NYC Liberal Nov 2013 #124

Behind closed doors, pope supported civil unions in Argentina, activist says cali Nov 2013 #134

I understand he lives in a simple apartment? Triana Nov 2013 #39

Yes. He refused to move into the palace -- and make no mistake, it's a palace. Hekate Nov 2013 #135

:) Triana Nov 2013 #136

His car is older than the kids he .... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #43

As part of his coverup, he attacks gay people smearing us with the filth his peers are doing Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #46

Yes. But other than THAT... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #56

+1 theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #64

Actually that was his predecessor nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #67

nonsense. He can clear things up... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #70

Look I am not catholic nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #75

Dealing with it is not pretending it didn't happen... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #110

Nobody is pretending it did not happen nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #132

"Kids he" what? Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #72

Oops! I was going to say "prayed over"... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #73

You tell me. You wrote it. nt Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #77

But, he kissed a disfigured man! He drives a cheap old car! Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #100

many "servants of the lord" live very well thank you very much dembotoz Nov 2013 #54

I'm not following this, he is driving one of the biggest POS of the 80's and that makes him awesome? snooper2 Nov 2013 #62

And presides over the largest patriarchal, misogynistic, homophobic institution in the world. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #69

New PR division of the Vatacin is doing a heck of a job. Marrah_G Nov 2013 #71

Yup... SidDithers Nov 2013 #116

I love the cartoon gopiscrap Nov 2013 #78

My coworker drives an '80 Toyota Tercel KamaAina Nov 2013 #89

I see the Pope as similar to the leader of a foreign country. Nine Nov 2013 #97

So he's homophobic, sexist and has terrible taste in cars. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #99

Fuck the bigot. NYC Liberal Nov 2013 #103

Very Cute cartoon bklyncowgirl Nov 2013 #105

New Popemobile Is a 1984 Renault With 186,000 Miles on It Coyotl Nov 2013 #119

Seems like a righteous bloke Zeke L Brimstone Nov 2013 #129

Good on him! Scurrilous Nov 2013 #131