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David Zephyr

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75. They can sue me, too, Cali

Fri Nov 8, 2013, 08:53 PM

Nov 2013

I'm not even a Christian, but anyone who doesn't accept the reality that Pope Francis is light-years more progressive than Ratzinger -- which is a healthy thing for our planet -- can sue me, too. I like him. I like him a lot.

Cali, you are as progressive as anyone at the DU and I've known you for eons, so you don't have to prove your creds to me. I think you know me as well as I've been posting here (albeit less as my eyes are not so good anymore) since 2001.

All that to say this, I am so totally tired of the purity police who are self-righteous and smug and who cannot see that the leader of one of the largest religions on the planet is changing things for a whole lot better for Catholics. Punishing the good for the perfect is not progressive, it's self-destructive.

Thanks for your brave post. And this pagan salutes you.

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Yes, I like Pope Francis. Sue me [View all] cali Nov 2013 OP

He seems like a good hearted man. I hope and pray he moves the church in a more progressive hrmjustin Nov 2013 #1

T think that this Pope, given some time COLGATE4 Nov 2013 #2

No lawsuit here! :-) Zeke L Brimstone Nov 2013 #3

I like him too. xmas74 Nov 2013 #4

Me too. Lucinda Nov 2013 #5

I agree, I'm impressed with the guy (while disagreeing intensely on several points) petronius Nov 2013 #6

Me too! LeftishBrit Nov 2013 #7

Why would you begin by saying "Call me a hypocrite. Berate me for it. "? Vietnameravet Nov 2013 #8

because that's what some folks were saying to me in another thread cali Nov 2013 #9

So, how's he any different from moderate republicans? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #10

how was thomas merton any different? the berrigan brothers? cali Nov 2013 #11

I don't understand how anyone can like anyone who goes against many things we believe in. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #12

You're for corporate excess and the rich getting richer off the backs of the poor ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #14

Semantics. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #16

Then, I suggest an edit. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #18

no. not merely semantic. at all. cali Nov 2013 #27

Then you'd better learn how to elucidate what you're thinking. This is General Discussion. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #80

This pope does not go against "everything" we believe in. Glassunion Nov 2013 #20

Do you like anti-gay activists? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #21

Do you like those who serve the poor? Glassunion Nov 2013 #32

Answer the question. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #36

No, it is a juvenile question. Glassunion Nov 2013 #47

I wonder what the little boys who get molested by priests while the pope covers it up... Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #48

This pope did that? Glassunion Nov 2013 #49

There are plenty of people who serve the poor and aren't unabashed bigots. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #109

As is your right. I can respect that. Glassunion Nov 2013 #146

Activist? I think you better define "activist." Francis is not an anti-gay activist. demosincebirth Nov 2013 #154

What do you call someone who lead a campaign against same sex marriage in Argentina? n/t Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #160

Apparently, we "know damn well" what this poster is talking about... ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #22

Do you like anti-gay activists? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #24

Do you hate peace activists? Yes, of course you do- following your "thinking" cali Nov 2013 #31

Way to deflect. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #34

bwahahahahaha. so you can do it, but I can't give you a slug of your own medicine cali Nov 2013 #38

Just go ahead and keep liking anti-LGBT people. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #41

juist go ahead and keep hating peace activists, dear cali Nov 2013 #63

Disfigured people ChazII Nov 2013 #149

I don't know where you got I don't like disfigured people. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #153

Speaking as a parent ChazII Nov 2013 #156

There are plenty of peace advocates that aren't unabashed bigots. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #110

This is about you. Not me. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #53

Thank you. I very much 840high Nov 2013 #58

Yes, let's talk about poverty and income disparity, shall we? theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #88

That was not my point. I was replying to a post Glassunion Nov 2013 #92

Want to really fight poverty? Start here. theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #89

The post I was replying to was edited after I replied Glassunion Nov 2013 #93

you're getting so silly, it's pointless to respond substantively n/t cali Nov 2013 #23

I dunno. How do people support 3rd Way, DLC and Blue Dog Democrats... Chan790 Nov 2013 #78

Because he called them out on their hypocrisy. He berated them for being 'obsessed with sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #191

i like him too. spanone Nov 2013 #13

Yeah. He's a peach...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #15

so, what do you think of Merton? the Berrigan Brothers? cali Nov 2013 #25

You do understand it is possible to like some of the actions a person takes... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #112

He seems to be pointing the church in a healthier direction. Orsino Nov 2013 #17

I generally refrain from calling open bigots good people... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #19

Merton? The Berrigan Brothers? cali Nov 2013 #26

Anti-Women, so just as contemptible... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #33

But he takes good pictures!! Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #30

right. because that's what my op is about cali Nov 2013 #35

He's not a homophobe. Deep13 Nov 2013 #82

This is a man who thinks same sex families are an attack on his God... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #83

How do you know what he thinks? Deep13 Nov 2013 #84

I know because he said it, in public, while campaigning against civil rights as Archbishop... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #85

His own words. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #96

Show me his Quote demosincebirth Nov 2013 #155

Which one? Here's a sample... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #159

But how do you advance any cause treestar Nov 2013 #127

He is an improvement over the last two DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #28

If more religious leaders and their "flock"... Xolodno Nov 2013 #29

I like him, too. Ilsa Nov 2013 #37

evidently you can't according to quite a few DUers. cali Nov 2013 #39

i was raised catholic so my opinion matters most! ha!!!! but.... spanone Nov 2013 #61

ah, liberal hate. it's just so much better than any other flavor cali Nov 2013 #40

Yeah, liberals "hate" just for the fun of it. Nothing to do with the anti-women, anti-gay crap Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #76

I sometimes wish I had a black-and-white mentality. sir pball Nov 2013 #132

Pope Francis is a sign of the times. randome Nov 2013 #42

Hey I'm sure Francis is great!!!! Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #43

He says I'm going to hell and I can't live my life the way I want to. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #44

He says nothing of the kind, but never mind facts. cali Nov 2013 #45

Uh huh. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #46

You missed the title: bobclark86 Nov 2013 #55

You completely ignored what I had in the excerpt. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #62

The church considers it immoral still bobclark86 Nov 2013 #64

I edited my last post. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #66

You are factually incorrect. Francis and his mouthpieces have gone on and on about their concept Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #69

They say the same thing about me... bobclark86 Nov 2013 #87

This Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #137

He has said that gay families are an attack on God. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #51

I like how cali remains silent on that inconvenient fact. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #56

I did not remain silent on that cali Nov 2013 #65

What did you use as your rationalization, I see nothing here. I left that 'WE love the bigot' thread Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #71

+1 Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #72

So, you think it's wrong to dislike a man who says gay families are an abomination? Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #77

Yea, I'd like to see some indication that he's renounced those views Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #104

You hit the nail on the head. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #113

See post #137. n/t Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #139

See post 137. n/t Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #138

Yet Argentina has gay marriage now treestar Nov 2013 #128

Ummm..pope Francis fought gay marriage in Argentina cap Nov 2013 #140

Still no link treestar Nov 2013 #175

Sure, people are just making that stuff up theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #176

Why so bitter at being asked to support a claim? treestar Nov 2013 #180

More links for you theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #196

As a former Catholic, HockeyMom Nov 2013 #50

If you don't believe the ecclesiastical teachings, then you don't believe them. Deep13 Nov 2013 #81

Every thread on DU about him ends the same way unfortunately. Lobo27 Nov 2013 #52

+1 daleanime Nov 2013 #134

Thank you, Cali, for your thoughts Jack Rabbit Nov 2013 #54

I like him, too! n/t OhioChick Nov 2013 #57

I do too. SchmerzImArsch Nov 2013 #59

He refused to move into the palace -- and make no mistake, it's a palace. Hekate Nov 2013 #60

the church is the oldest criminal/corrupt organization in history madrchsod Nov 2013 #101

I was gonna say ... "has BECOME corrupt" ? Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #147

I don't like religion or popes, but... liberalmuse Nov 2013 #67

Yeah, he's really cool: Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #68

Your screen name should be Johnny One Note. intheflow Nov 2013 #165

So what's stopping you from liking republicans then? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #167

I can differentiate between ideologies and people. intheflow Nov 2013 #168

Because the Pope's anti-gay stance means he's against me and against Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #169

I'm a bisexual DUer. intheflow Nov 2013 #172

Just maybe Whisp Nov 2013 #136

Hopefully, he'll stay around for many decades to appoint younger, more progressive Rozlee Nov 2013 #70

Meh. blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #73

He is a tremendous breath of fresh air Aerows Nov 2013 #74

They can sue me, too, Cali David Zephyr Nov 2013 #75

hey man, how ya been? post more you old coot! dionysus Nov 2013 #86

Oh yes, dripping with progressive fervor. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #99

Deep13 vs. Cali, A Complaint for Damages in Civil Actions. Deep13 Nov 2013 #79

You're quoting favorably somebody who calls a sizable percentage of women murderers. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #90

no. I'm not quoting him favorably. cali Nov 2013 #106

I wouldn't go so far as t say I like him, but he definitely sucks less, Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #91

I agree, and I'm not catholic. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #94

Agree hooverville29 Nov 2013 #95

He has said some encouraging things. SalmonChantedEvening Nov 2013 #97

Yes, i can just feel the love here. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #100

Thank you for reminding me why I only post here on Sundays. SalmonChantedEvening Nov 2013 #102

Why, does reality experience a temporal shift on Sundays for you? nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #108

so glad to see you here salmon. I've missed you. cali Nov 2013 #107

cali, i apologize for the harsh way i spoke to you. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #98

I think most people like him defacto7 Nov 2013 #103

From everything I've seen, he represents all the values that true Christians should have. pacalo Nov 2013 #105

So a person who is bigoted towards gays is a "beautiful human being" that represents the... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #114

Educate yourself... pacalo Nov 2013 #115

How about you take your own advice. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #117

The article I provided is more up to date than yours. pacalo Nov 2013 #118

Given that your article is on a different topic. that doesn't matter. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #119

If "November 2013" isn't recent enough for you, there's nothing more to say. pacalo Nov 2013 #121

I'll repeat, the issue with your article isn't the date but the topic. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #122

I realize that your article is exclusively about quotes he made three years ago. pacalo Nov 2013 #124

The article quoted Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #151

Nearly all very religious people are bigoted towards gays treestar Nov 2013 #129

I agree, treestar. pacalo Nov 2013 #143

Yeah, he's such a beautiful human being: Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #131

Pat Robertson? Not even close. pacalo Nov 2013 #141

Why not? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #142

Have a super Saturday! Until the next thread about the pope... pacalo Nov 2013 #145

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #111

he's a hypocrite bigtree Nov 2013 #116

You don't have to hate anyone to dislike some of their views and policies. ananda Nov 2013 #120

"Hypocrite" is thrown around a lot in this complex workld... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #123

no suit here warrprayer Nov 2013 #125

I agree.. sendero Nov 2013 #126

Me too. Thank you. tblue Nov 2013 #130

Yes, it's all about you and how you feel. last1standing Nov 2013 #133

except that's not what he's doing particularly in comparison with cali Nov 2013 #157

I hate all popes. Roman Catholicism divides and is a tool of the ruling class. nt valerief Nov 2013 #135

If there were a Pope Francis Fan club, I'd be No Vested Interest Nov 2013 #144

I still dislike the pope. JoeyT Nov 2013 #148

Bravo! theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #161

+1 n/t FreeState Nov 2013 #164

Exactly. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #171

Pope-Lite(tm): Zero calories. Zero credibility. n/t dogknob Nov 2013 #150

I think he's like a breath of fresh air leftyladyfrommo Nov 2013 #152

See post #148 theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #162

He's a PINO = Pope in Name Only. Walk away Nov 2013 #158

He basically stands for the same doctrine that his predecessors did. totodeinhere Nov 2013 #163

I like him too katmondoo Nov 2013 #166

I will make note of that. MineralMan Nov 2013 #170

My Attorney has drafted a letter XRubicon Nov 2013 #173

There is this place, Cali toby jo Nov 2013 #174

So the president has lost your respect? Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #195

It's reasonable to ask that religion posts remain in the Trillo Nov 2013 #177

Yes, it IS reasonable theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #179

bottom line - women still have to be out of the vatican by dark . gender apartheid Liberal_in_LA Nov 2013 #178

Would we tolerate this from any other state? theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #181

It isn't really a state. ucrdem Nov 2013 #182

Nice try theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #183

The word "rules" occurs nowhere on the page you linked to. Sorry. nt ucrdem Nov 2013 #184

Here you go. theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #185

No rules on that page, either. I think you might be misinformed. nt ucrdem Nov 2013 #186

I don't know who you think you are fooling. theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #187

I don't imagine you've been there? ucrdem Nov 2013 #188

Maybe you weren't looking theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #189

The link shows that women live in the Vatican, ucrdem Nov 2013 #190

Stop moving the goalposts theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #192

Suit yourself. One more thing I'd like to add: ucrdem Nov 2013 #194

I think he's a great man. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #193