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Deep13

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60. I don't like it because it is false.

Fri Nov 8, 2013, 10:45 PM

Nov 2013

You know, the POTUS was not in favor of gay marriage when he was first elected. Are all the people who voted for him homophobes?

People evolve and when they show signs of doing so, it ought to be encouraged rather than condemned for not being fast enough. As Pope he must comply with the rules of his institution, but he is doing so in a manner that is as accepting and as tolerant of others as is possible while still calling himself a Catholic. Frankly, I think you are bashing him and, since it is for the norms of his church, all Catholics. Some call that bigotry.

What I find most admirable about Dr. King and the other leaders of the Civil Rights movement is that they never lost sight of the fact that their enemies were also human beings with far more in common with them than there were differences. Louis Stokes was on Rachel last night or the night before explaining that. Always try to find common ground with your opponent to encourage her or him to recognize your common humanity.

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*EDITED*If you are showering unqualified praise and admiration onto an openly bigoted person.... [View all] eqfan592 Nov 2013 OP

is this about that football/sports guy? Whisp Nov 2013 #1

Is this about the Pope?!?! blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #2

Updated for clarification. nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #3

this is just namecalling Enrique Nov 2013 #4

Oh, I thought it was another Ezra Pound thread. A-Schwarzenegger Nov 2013 #5

How dare you mention the poetry of a fascist. rug Nov 2013 #10

I like that little piece of poetry, regardless, and am stealing it. freshwest Nov 2013 #80

Watch out, somebody will call you out for admiring a fascist collaborator. rug Nov 2013 #83

Nothing wrong with admiring him. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #86

I didn't call you hateful. I said your criticism was simple-minded. rug Nov 2013 #89

So thinking the pope needs to continue to be called out on his bigotry is simple minded. Got it. nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #91

Kindly use my actual words if you want to state my position. rug Nov 2013 #93

They always make sense to me. I don't understand those who want them to fit in their narrow views. freshwest Nov 2013 #87

Do you own a mirror? Xipe Totec Nov 2013 #6

Oh please do enlighten me. nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #12

for some of us that includes family. i am glad i am old enough to get nuance and roguevalley Nov 2013 #53

I don't live in an either/or land. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #55

This is so simple-minded a paradigm, I'm not so sure you understand what actual bigotry is. rug Nov 2013 #7

I'm not sure you understand what the term "unqualified" means. nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #9

What about President Obama before he finished "evolving" on same sex marriage? BlueCheese Nov 2013 #8

Again, i said "unqualified." eqfan592 Nov 2013 #11

I don't see people praising Pope Francis unconditionally. BlueCheese Nov 2013 #14

I've seen a ton of it. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #15

That doesn't mean they don't disagree with certain of his positions. BlueCheese Nov 2013 #19

Again, i don't think the two situations are directly comparable, for reasons stated earlier. nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #20

Yeah! I like the Pope. What's it to you? TheDebbieDee Nov 2013 #33

Non committal?????? Hardly. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #39

That attitude is an example of the Left's worst enemy is itself. MicaelS Nov 2013 #13

Sorry, but what bull. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #18

he is moving in the right Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #76

I'm sorry, but "don't talk so much about our bigoted position" doesn't count as moving... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #78

The OP is really not among the Left gulliver Nov 2013 #114

I certainly agree� Tikki Nov 2013 #16

But he drives a Renault!!... SidDithers Nov 2013 #17

I think people are hopeful with the new pope. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #21

I understand that. However, he has a bad track record. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #27

From what I have seen here people like him but make clear that they want him to change things. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #82

my real anger stems from the fact that those of us that dared to question... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #88

I do not think anyone who points out where the RCC or any other church or religion is wrong is hrmjustin Nov 2013 #92

Are you calling me out? xmas74 Nov 2013 #22

That you feel this is directed at you says more about you than me. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #23

It says that you know nothing about the posters here xmas74 Nov 2013 #25

Then that's your problem. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #30

Some people like to stir shit up to get attention...... TheDebbieDee Nov 2013 #35

I know some do xmas74 Nov 2013 #41

I thought you were talking about President Obama pre 2012 before I got to kelly1mm Nov 2013 #24

The president never said anything in the same ballpark as the pope. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #34

Simple question: Is supporting civil unions only and not marriage equality a kelly1mm Nov 2013 #40

Yes, it is. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #46

OK, fair enough. If I understand your argument you believe that pre2012 President Obama was a bigot kelly1mm Nov 2013 #50

Unqualified praise, yes. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #54

That is true, many here did point out his position as being bigoted. However, there were MANY kelly1mm Nov 2013 #64

No, that would be difficult to say the least. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #70

OK. And THANK YOU for fully explaining your position! I understand your point much better kelly1mm Nov 2013 #74

You're welcome. :) eqfan592 Nov 2013 #75

Like me you probably didn't call candidate Obama a bigot when you knocked doors (I assume in 2008). eomer Nov 2013 #111

3 to 3 newcriminal Nov 2013 #26

I've had three people send me a link to this thread xmas74 Nov 2013 #29

I'm juror number 6. newcriminal Nov 2013 #31

I'm tired of the same old whining on here xmas74 Nov 2013 #36

Yeah, screw gay rights and women's rights!!! He kissed a sick person and that's good enough, right? eqfan592 Nov 2013 #38

Screw women's rights xmas74 Nov 2013 #44

Given the number of women I've seen vote republican... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #47

So now that makes me anti-woman. xmas74 Nov 2013 #49

You keep applying all these labels to yourself, not i. nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #51

I'm not naming names but someone in this thread is a shit-stirrer! TheDebbieDee Nov 2013 #117

Oh? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #63

Instead of following me around xmas74 Nov 2013 #69

I have a feeling John Hurt is either Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #72

I thought Valeyard at first xmas74 Nov 2013 #85

Oh I hope Capaldi lasts longer than 13 episodes. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #97

You're welcome. xmas74 Nov 2013 #100

I have not. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #103

np nt xmas74 Nov 2013 #105

Despite our different views on the Pope, I'm glad we can still get along. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #108

Thank you for going along with it. xmas74 Nov 2013 #110

Results from the Jury.... Taitertots Nov 2013 #28

Good...you can think I'm a bigot, you can think whatever your little mind needs you to think DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #32

You like him, in spite of him failing to make a single substantive change to church policy... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #37

Yes, I do like him. Was that not clear to you the first time around? DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #42

If you want to say you like this guy... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #48

Agree. It has been sickening. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #43

Catholic Bishops Oppose Discrimination, Oppose ENDA Too William769 Nov 2013 #45

It's observationally the second. Chan790 Nov 2013 #68

This is about the PETA supporters? Earth_First Nov 2013 #52

So, what's your opinion of Salvador Dali's artwork? Scootaloo Nov 2013 #56

I know little about him truth be told. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #58

I think people can be decent and be assholes at different times of the day Scootaloo Nov 2013 #116

Meh. Looked at objectively, it's an excellent study in how media-driven LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #57

If he were to enact substantive change, I'd be the first to applaud. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #62

Enact? He's pretty much the king of Catholicism. Deep13 Nov 2013 #66

Are you kidding? eqfan592 Nov 2013 #77

Why should I care that some online poster who doesn't even know me Contrary1 Nov 2013 #59

I don't like it because it is false. Deep13 Nov 2013 #60

The issue about the president has been gone over already in this thread. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #65

I'm not reading this whole thing. My response is to you directly. Deep13 Nov 2013 #67

So i should rehash an entire conversation already held because you can't be bothered to scroll? eqfan592 Nov 2013 #71

THANK. YOU. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #61

Well than could you at least provide a list Glassunion Nov 2013 #73

they want the votes Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #79

Once again, unqualified is the key word here. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #84

So no one on the planet is worthy of praise? Glassunion Nov 2013 #96

The admins provided SOP for General Discussion that says no threads about religion Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #118

That is not true. There are posts all the time in GD from atheist talking about religion. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #121

Bear in mind that until May 2012 Barack Obama was on the record as opposing gay marriage. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #81

I criticized him for that the entire time. Obama never said any of the horrors Francis Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #119

trashing thread. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #90

Eqfan, I think there's maybe a better way to go about this discussion... Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #94

*sigh* you're right. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #95

It happens to all of us, I've posted some things out of frustration that I regret Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #101

I think you summed up my feelings on the subject far better than i have so far with this post. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #106

I hope most here are sincere enough to refuse to alter Skip Intro Nov 2013 #98

When this Pope was first selected I thought as you did about him Bjorn Against Nov 2013 #99

k&r idwiyo Nov 2013 #102

K&R idwiyo Nov 2013 #104

He has made a few good gestures Warpy Nov 2013 #107

Define unqualified please.... cynatnite Nov 2013 #109

K&R JoeyT Nov 2013 #112

No one here is doing that. Do you understand what "unqualified praise" is? cali Nov 2013 #113

Criticism of a man whose rhetoric states that I am an attack on God is not hate Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #120

He's just more "likable." More like Pope JP2 than that most recent terror. alphafemale Nov 2013 #115