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Spike89

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36. Major social change is not a binary operation
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 01:20 PM
Mar 2012

Even when the core concept is widely agreed upon, change on massive social, behavioral, and emotional levels simple doesn't happen that way. As a man, I understand that many of my expectations, emotions, and attitudes toward my role in life and how I view women and their roles isn't always in synch with what I know and believe intellectually.
For example, although most of my male friends are firmly liberal, I have no doubt that the majority of those men would have complicated feelings about having their wives/girlfriends/etc. make more than them. Ironically, I believe an even higher percentage of their female partners would share those complicated feelings. It isn't an intellectual thing and all of us would undoubtedly say it isn't a big deal, but it IS a deal, even among a random group of progressives in a pretty progressive area. The role of "provider" is something many women still expect a man to assume and most men still feel more comfortable in that role. It is what all of us have grown up with as the societial norm.
So, the answer to the question is a resounding yes! It got us further down the road where the stereotypes and gender roles are not as stark. We are not at the end of the road by any means, but change has occurred and will continue. It is a process. We made progress because some strong women and men fought and railed against the injustices. Just because we can understand that the change doesn't happen with a flick of a switch doesn't mean the fight isn't worth fighting.

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It is discouraging. I'm older than you but I thought everything was going so well in the 70s. CTyankee Mar 2012 #1
I know. leftyladyfrommo Mar 2012 #4
Yes and No atreides1 Mar 2012 #2
Yes, definitely treestar Mar 2012 #3
I'm afraid that all women really got leftyladyfrommo Mar 2012 #10
If one word from one man can undo it all for you... Iggo Mar 2012 #5
One word from one 'man' did not undo it all....... wandy Mar 2012 #16
and to reduce those three days to one man is dismissive. he felt he was allowed to do this. it took seabeyond Mar 2012 #21
I did not by any means intend to trivialize this.... wandy Mar 2012 #27
That "word" came on the heels of years and years of other words. It was the straw that kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #32
I could have expressed that better, and I apologize for that. Iggo Mar 2012 #35
Yeah, we got somewhere. aquart Mar 2012 #6
I believe your answer is included in the question: "It was different then because women really Vincardog Mar 2012 #7
Women can and have historically had their rights stripped from them. CTyankee Mar 2012 #13
AS have everyone that could not fight back. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. Vincardog Mar 2012 #14
Social change is like waves on the shore Demeter Mar 2012 #8
we cant be got with kitchen and barefoot. that ship sailed and never be able to get us there again. seabeyond Mar 2012 #9
That's what I'm beginning to thing, too. leftyladyfrommo Mar 2012 #15
yup. and it is in your face obvious as we pretend it is not a reality seabeyond Mar 2012 #20
The ugly is just as ugly, but the good is more prevalent because of the 2nd-wave feminists. ZombieHorde Mar 2012 #11
If you have the money to fight. leftyladyfrommo Mar 2012 #19
You have good points, but I think you and your allies acomplished a lot for my daughter, ZombieHorde Mar 2012 #46
Yes of course. MoonRiver Mar 2012 #12
My boss is a woman... KansDem Mar 2012 #17
Yes bigwillq Mar 2012 #18
What we're seeing/hearing now is not a failure of feminism... vi5 Mar 2012 #22
Rush can't be used as a measure of anything that is real EFerrari Mar 2012 #23
Three steps forward, two steps back... LanternWaste Mar 2012 #24
Yes, it got us somewhere. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2012 #25
geez, talk about carrying the water of the enemy! TorchTheWitch Mar 2012 #55
Which one? Get who anywhere? Define "anywhere." Taverner Mar 2012 #26
Sig line-worthy CBHagman Mar 2012 #52
It got us a huge step forward. Skidmore Mar 2012 #28
+1. nt seabeyond Mar 2012 #30
Yes - and I am in your age group. The right wing is just wackier right now and if anything jillan Mar 2012 #29
Well I wouldn't have had a prayer of becoming a veterinarian if not for the entire kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #31
One thing I can think of off the the top... Tikki Mar 2012 #33
We have to keep fighting. nolabear Mar 2012 #34
Major social change is not a binary operation Spike89 Mar 2012 #36
Yes, it did. But forever and ever, there will be attempts to go back in time... Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #37
Our society has traded corruption for civility just1voice Mar 2012 #38
In 1969, I could not get a job as a mail carrier or a school bus driver LiberalEsto Mar 2012 #39
Sure it did or they would not have anything to try to take away from us. What we did not accomplish jwirr Mar 2012 #40
"Did"? Is it over? KamaAina Mar 2012 #41
Women walking away from patriarchal religions and into the workplace RainDog Mar 2012 #42
Yes, but we didn't understand completely. s-cubed Mar 2012 #43
What we're seeing a lot of now is a backlash against second wave feminism XemaSab Mar 2012 #44
Even moreso toward 3rd wave feminism loyalsister Mar 2012 #49
If you measure our success by what Rush Limbaugh says lunatica Mar 2012 #45
the feminist movement got us a lot arely staircase Mar 2012 #47
You made a HUGE difference. I never thanked older feminist enough when I was a young. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #48
big difference between trying to taking away rights Johonny Mar 2012 #50
Go to the ERA thread here on DU SugarShack Mar 2012 #51
It did back then when republicans were mostly moderate marlakay Mar 2012 #53
agreed. i am think more a decade and half. nt seabeyond Mar 2012 #54
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