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48. One case does not matter, but herd immunity is good epidemiology

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 01:12 PM

Nov 2013

The OP is talking about the 'herd' or 'community" immunity, a well-researched and well-proven strategy that is now NOT working because people like Jenny McCarthy go on TV and espouse the evils of vaccination because her son is autistic, and she needs something to accuse of her son's problem, so she decides it was the vaccine. The CDC debunked that hypothesis in 2011, but Oprah still had her on and validated her ramblings, thus putting millions of children at risk because parents "don't trust the government".

The few isolated cases where children are not give a vaccine due seizure history and the chance of febrile seizures likely has no effect on the overall population. However, if Jenny keeps this stuff up, we could be in for some problems.

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I've Got Whooping Cough. Thanks a Lot, Jenny McCarthy. [View all] geek tragedy Nov 2013 OP

DU rec... SidDithers Nov 2013 #1

Have you gotten your adult pertussis vaccine? The OP obviously didn't. pnwmom Nov 2013 #71

Considering pertussis is coupled with tetanus and diphtheria... Barack_America Nov 2013 #111

Thanks! Posted this in E&E, but can't recommend my own posts . . . hatrack Nov 2013 #2

Why didn't the writer get a booster shot? PADemD Nov 2013 #3

It's always easy to blame others for one's own mistakes. Pathwalker Nov 2013 #7

In the same boat iamthebandfanman Nov 2013 #9

Is anyone saying you and your son are part of the problem? No. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #18

Anti-vaccinaters were around for DECADES before Jenny was born. Pathwalker Nov 2013 #44

Sure, there were a few, but McCarthy spewed her ignorance and made it mainstream. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #76

Thanks. Similar with my daughter. elleng Nov 2013 #21

One case does not matter, but herd immunity is good epidemiology Drahthaardogs Nov 2013 #48

I blame each and EVERY parent who chooses to not vaccinate, Pathwalker Nov 2013 #52

The problem with stupid people is that they refuse to acknowledgr and accept their Drahthaardogs Nov 2013 #55

Half the problem is people listening to celebrities in the first place. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #86

What was the one in the sugar cube with the pink dot? Maraya1969 Nov 2013 #110

my memory says it's polio catrose Nov 2013 #115

Because adults didn't have to bother before jeff47 Nov 2013 #12

My area is a 2-hour plane ride away. PADemD Nov 2013 #19

And if everyone was like you, this wouldn't be a problem. jeff47 Nov 2013 #22

Many have done that, but you can hear about this and think... Moonwalk Nov 2013 #14

If you are going to blame parents and Jenny McCarthy, Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #79

Small oversight... gcomeau Nov 2013 #38

Being vaccinated is not a 100% guarantee that you won't catch the illness. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #40

Yes. I got an adult DPT shot SheilaT Nov 2013 #46

Not everyone knows that childhood immunizations wear off, and geek tragedy Nov 2013 #64

Exactly. The OP is blaming J.M. for his own failure to get the vaccine. n/t pnwmom Nov 2013 #70

+1 n/t truedelphi Nov 2013 #116

You should read up on herd immunity. nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #138

I know all about herd immunity, and it is especially important pnwmom Nov 2013 #139

It hasn't been out that long and adults aren't recommended for it Warpy Nov 2013 #101

While you were hospitalized they should have advised you that adults can be vaccinated anytime Tdap lunasun Nov 2013 #4

See post #14 and you're responding to an article posted, not the poster of said article. Moonwalk Nov 2013 #16

Get vaccinated! Mz Pip Nov 2013 #5

Don't forget a shingles vaccine (if applicable)! DemoTex Nov 2013 #34

I got one a few years ago. Mz Pip Nov 2013 #59

You can now get the Shingles vaccine at age 50 pokerfan Nov 2013 #65

I hadn't heard that. Good info to spread around, thanks! n/t winter is coming Nov 2013 #72

I had chicken pox as a kid - TBF Nov 2013 #102

Yes, but ask your doctor pokerfan Nov 2013 #103

I am going to ask about this and pertussis - TBF Nov 2013 #104

Yes, you can get shingles as an adult if you had chickenpox as a kid. n/t winter is coming Nov 2013 #105

can even get them as a kid MissMillie Nov 2013 #128

Yeah, you can. Lucky you. winter is coming Nov 2013 #129

Shaking my head pipi_k Nov 2013 #6

Your SIL seriously... 3catwoman3 Nov 2013 #33

OK, just double checked... pipi_k Nov 2013 #37

I'm a nurse myself... 3catwoman3 Nov 2013 #77

Actually, I understand you can, in rare cases. quakerboy Nov 2013 #144

Wow. Had no idea whooping cough vaccine wears off. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #8

Yeah. One of my kid's teachers just got revaccinated because one of her children came down with winter is coming Nov 2013 #13

I didn't know either hibbing Nov 2013 #15

Many, maybe all vaccines wear off in time. SheilaT Nov 2013 #49

Nor I. I'm glad I read this! nt Union Scribe Nov 2013 #67

The newest Tetanus booster (DTaP) shot (every 10 years) has whooping cough included. NutmegYankee Nov 2013 #123

This is exactly how I got my poster for Whooping cough, just 2 years ago. n/t Sheepshank Nov 2013 #137

OMG, how stupid. closeupready Nov 2013 #10

I got a booster a couple of years ago. leftyladyfrommo Nov 2013 #11

We have lost the memory of how bad childhood diseases used to be central scrutinizer Nov 2013 #17

I teach an exercise class at the YMCA and though it is an adult class.... Moonwalk Nov 2013 #20

The Jenny McCarthy Body Count...... Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #23

Thanks for the link. JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #28

I always get medical advice from Jenny dem in texas Nov 2013 #24

What's scary is how many people will believe anti-science craziness is 'mainstream' geek tragedy Nov 2013 #25

So McCarthy is responsible, except when it's inconvenient for you? closeupready Nov 2013 #29

I'm being perfectly consistent and logical. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #39

Jenny McCarthy is not the anti-christ; she is a personality. closeupready Nov 2013 #43

Maybe if she'd stop actively killing people with her propaganda, people geek tragedy Nov 2013 #45

Funny how your moniker alludes to reason when closeupready Nov 2013 #47

asdf geek tragedy Nov 2013 #51

You've had TWELVE HIDDEN POSTS in the last 90 days! LOL closeupready Nov 2013 #81

Maybe, but at least I don't think saving lives and preventing disease geek tragedy Nov 2013 #83

Right? LOL, people here can be so incredibly delusional, vesting closeupready Nov 2013 #27

Or got elected to something. n/t jtuck004 Nov 2013 #98

I am older than Jenny McCarthy... SouthernLiberal Nov 2013 #26

My two sisters got the mumps--swollen necks and I riversedge Nov 2013 #32

My Mom got pertussis when she was about two . . . hatrack Nov 2013 #61

I had all the childhood diseases, including whooping cough. Shrike47 Nov 2013 #78

K&R NealK Nov 2013 #30

Getting a 'booster' isn't the point here... non-vaccination creates a vector that makes EVERYONE JCMach1 Nov 2013 #31

+1 HuckleB Nov 2013 #35

More here. I regard this material as factual (see extensive footnotes), neutral, essential reading. proverbialwisdom Nov 2013 #36

That's an anti-vaxxer propaganda site. nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #41

DU's resident Wakefield defender checks in... SidDithers Nov 2013 #54

Like Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #113

The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) is a public charity anti-vaccination advocacy group. idwiyo Nov 2013 #93

Impressive list of publications they've accumulated there. Barack_America Nov 2013 #114

i know someone who jumped on the jennie band wagon. madrchsod Nov 2013 #42

I'm old enough to remember when measles and polio were real problems Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2013 #50

What is sad about "celebrity" experts dem in texas Nov 2013 #53

The author is wrong on the reason that many did not take the full series karynnj Nov 2013 #56

Interesting perspective. Certainly those who act in accordance with the advice of a medical geek tragedy Nov 2013 #57

I had pneumonia MuseRider Nov 2013 #58

I'm not the author, thankfully. nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #63

Glad to hear that. MuseRider Nov 2013 #74

You read it correctly, the post title is the same as the article title. nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #75

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #60

anti-vaxxer propaganda kills people, and it seems you're doing your best geek tragedy Nov 2013 #62

Please carefully check out the Mumper study, noting the publication source and the article content. proverbialwisdom Nov 2013 #66

That's batshit insane. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #68

That's a really batshit-crazy conspiracy theory. idwiyo Nov 2013 #95

You are a menace. AngryAmish Nov 2013 #135

Why are you blaming her because YOU failed to get the adult vaccine pnwmom Nov 2013 #69

1) I am not the author; 2) most people don't realize that their childhood vaccines geek tragedy Nov 2013 #73

Research has shown that the main problem in CA right now pnwmom Nov 2013 #82

It's YOUR fault! Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #80

Had whooping cough in '39 and remember it as bad stuff indepat Nov 2013 #84

One of the misconceptions typically... 3catwoman3 Nov 2013 #85

BTW... 3catwoman3 Nov 2013 #118

The author of those pieces got a major fact wrong. pnwmom Nov 2013 #87

"make sure teens and adults get a pertussis vaccine at least every ten years" Number23 Nov 2013 #88

Everyone is supposed to be getting tetanus vaccines, which come with pnwmom Nov 2013 #89

No, I "really did not know that." Which is why I asked. Number23 Nov 2013 #90

If you don't keep up to date on tetanus, and you get a deep puncture wound, pnwmom Nov 2013 #94

I always thought that was common knowledge. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #97

Just fyi - it's typically given as "Tdap" or "Dtap" jtuck004 Nov 2013 #99

I had a tetanus booster Aerows Nov 2013 #131

Hard to guess. I would ask the provider, or see what your current Dr. says. n/t jtuck004 Nov 2013 #140

I think I got the standard booster, it was from the Army Reserve Aerows Nov 2013 #143

Whooping Cough Epidemics in North Idaho. Blue Idaho Nov 2013 #91

k&r idwiyo Nov 2013 #92

It's amazing how many people in this country ignore science and listen to idiots. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #96

While "herd immunity" has a specific meaning here Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #100

Oh gee..... sendero Nov 2013 #106

But what do Tom Cruz and Brooke Shields say about vaccinations? tclambert Nov 2013 #107

I think I was one of those who got whooping cough and didn't realize it dflprincess Nov 2013 #108

I blame Andrew Wakefield, not Jenny McCarthy. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #109

I got a booster after a couple babies died of it in CA a couple years ago. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #112

I caught it in my early 40's, about 10 years ago alittlelark Nov 2013 #117

Link to 2012 CDC Whooping Cough Surveillance Report PADemD Nov 2013 #119

I had whooping cough when I was very young RFKHumphreyObama Nov 2013 #120

All 5 cases in our area last week were in people who were up-to-date on their vaccines. Why so many? Liberty Belle Nov 2013 #121

I am wondering also classykaren Nov 2013 #125

Have you checked wind turbines? There might be a connection...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #126

I noticed my newest Tetanus booster had Pertussis included. NutmegYankee Nov 2013 #122

I had whopping cough as a teen almost died classykaren Nov 2013 #124

there is no connection between vaccine/vaccine schedules and autism La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #133

Who do you believe? TNNurse Nov 2013 #127

People have to learn... LuckyTheDog Nov 2013 #130

anti-vaccine nuts are dangers and insanely selfish. i really cannot stand people who wont vaccinate La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #132

*applause and a rec* ColesCountyDem Nov 2013 #134

In all fairness barbaraj Nov 2013 #136

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #141

Not a fellow shill 4 the illuminati? chknltl Nov 2013 #142