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ancianita

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14. It's your fallacious assumption that we all agree on the definition of "intrinsic value," and
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 08:12 AM
Nov 2013

that that definition is the determining factor in our arguments. We don't, and it's not. Along with that logic problem, as I see it here, there are millions who use "intrinsic value" as some word salad front for power and control over half the planet. When you bring this issue up, you invite them in to muddy the discussion.

It's not a common sense issue, this definition. Now, when we limit who can decide on "intrinsic value," no matter its definition, then we get to the real definition of the term. I say that women's intrinsic value is to decide on who/what goes into and out of their bodies. They have the knowledge of "intrinsic knowledge" enough to serve humanity's interests well. And humanity better recognize.

When others don't agree, they presume to set the stage for promoting the "foundational" theological stance of religious dogma that teaches young and old children that "our bodies are not our own," along with all the old school ramifications of that.

There's all kinds of logical fallacies surrounding abortion. "Intrinsic value" is only one of them. If you want to privilege its use and discussion here, I think the same old sides will simply line up the way they have in the past, just under a "new" framing.

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Interesting. Let me roll that around for a while. Smarmie Doofus Nov 2013 #1
I need you to be a bit more clear in what you are saying. I'm not understanding. nt boston bean Nov 2013 #2
I cannot think of a way to express it more clearly. redgreenandblue Nov 2013 #5
Perhaps: being pro-choice and believing in the value of a fetus are not mutually exclusive The Straight Story Nov 2013 #6
I'm going to take it that you think I "rip" women for stating their personal choice. boston bean Nov 2013 #7
Uh, no, I was speaking in general terms on the issue The Straight Story Nov 2013 #12
If you (generic) beleive intristic value of a foetus trumps my Right to Chose idwiyo Nov 2013 #3
The point that has been argued here recently is that redgreenandblue Nov 2013 #4
Really? Or was it 'Don't force your beleifs on me, by supporting restrictions on my Right to Chose'? idwiyo Nov 2013 #9
The vibe that I have been getting here is that regardless of whether the opinion is voiced, redgreenandblue Nov 2013 #11
not.true... boston bean Nov 2013 #13
Not true at all. People who believe they have a right to restrict my choice idwiyo Nov 2013 #18
You misunderstand the meaning of "intrinsic value" in these discussions, then. ancianita Nov 2013 #15
Please explain what is it you think I don't understand. idwiyo Nov 2013 #19
I say that you use this word to mediate the pro-/anti-choice conflict without defining it yourself ancianita Nov 2013 #20
So what are YOU saying -- there's a third stance? ancianita Nov 2013 #8
I am saying that redgreenandblue Nov 2013 #10
It's your fallacious assumption that we all agree on the definition of "intrinsic value," and ancianita Nov 2013 #14
Then, any question of "intrinsic value" should have no bearing on pro-/anti-choice abortion issues. ancianita Nov 2013 #16
A fetus doesn't have the same meaning for everybody. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #17
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