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scheming daemons

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Thu Nov 14, 2013, 09:20 AM Nov 2013

let's be real here about the impact of "you can keep your insurance" [View all]

Almost everybody reading this post is not affected by this in the least.

There are roughly 320 million people in this country.

About 85% of us get health insurance through an employer, Medicare, Medicaid, or the VA.

That means about 270 million of us are not affected at all by healthcare.gov web site issues or by junk individual policies that are being cancelled.

Among the 50 million who are affected, 40 million had no insurance at all, so it isn't like the ACA or the website problems made their situations worse. They are either better off or the same.

That leaves 10 million. Roughly half of those are able to keep the plan they already have because it complies with the ACA and their insurance company still offers it.

That leaves 5 million people that are losing their coverage and forced to buy a new plan.

Among those, roughly half will have access to a cheaper and better plan than they had before. The website issues affect these people and will be fixed and they'll be alright.

That leaves about 2.5 million people that are in a bind. Their insurance costs will be higher than before, even if the coverage is better.

1/120th of the population. 1 out of every 120 people in this country have every right to be pissed about the ACA, at least in the short term.

But 40 million people... 1 out of 8.... have access to insurance now who didn't have it before.

The math doesn't work for the opponents of the ACA once that 1/8 gets insurance. That is why they are desperate to kill it in the crib.

What the GOP and their friends in the media have been trying to do is to convince everyone that THEY are one of the 1/120 of the population that is being adversely affected.

The only way they kill it is if they convince enough of the voting public that it harms THEM.

As a utilitarian ... I accept policies that help (or don't harm) 119/120 of the population while inconveniencing, in the short run, 1/120 of the population.

We're losing the message war right now. But the math is in our favor... and long term, the ACA is an enormous positive for Democrats. And the GOP knows it.

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A "must read," imo. K & R. FSogol Nov 2013 #1
The truth is republicans don't have a plan B Calm Nov 2013 #2
Exactly Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2013 #5
They're offering GOPDon'tCare...... lastlib Nov 2013 #18
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2013 #28
They had a plan. NHIPA, HeritageCare, RomneyCare, etc... NoOneMan Nov 2013 #39
Republicans, including false moderate Susan Collins have offered nothing Dawson Leery Nov 2013 #46
Hard to get the real message out, when media insists on having "the other side" SoCalDem Nov 2013 #3
No matter what we think of the ACA, Democrats need to remember Truman. Laelth Nov 2013 #4
Could you help me out? Raine1967 Nov 2013 #6
feel free scheming daemons Nov 2013 #7
I have a feeling her numbers are ball park estimates as well -- Raine1967 Nov 2013 #8
President Obama's promise and the ACA "impact" has nothing to do with the cancellations, so . . . DanM Nov 2013 #9
no... rw propaganda would make you believe it is 120/120 scheming daemons Nov 2013 #10
Agreed. We need to be honest about the ACA. Laelth Nov 2013 #14
And what, honestly, is that about the ACA? DanM Nov 2013 #36
Not sure what you're asking for here. Laelth Nov 2013 #50
no...tp propaganda is 120/120 DanM Nov 2013 #34
If we are going to use "numbers" as the right are doing MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #11
Second that notion Demeter Nov 2013 #12
1/120 of the population? The only time republicans are concerned about minorities. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #13
I will be using that little gem. Thank you. reflection Nov 2013 #15
Well that and the 1%. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #17
HAA! Spot on. n/t JimDandy Nov 2013 #27
Excellent. mac56 Nov 2013 #16
3% was the last i heard iamthebandfanman Nov 2013 #19
interesting. KittyWampus Nov 2013 #20
3% can seem like a lot iamthebandfanman Nov 2013 #22
Supposedly the "real" problem is when the employer mandate begins and group plans are cancelled 7962 Nov 2013 #21
This is correct, and some dem leaders talk about it but not enough. And since it's not as dramatic wiggs Nov 2013 #23
The needs of the many outweigh ChazII Nov 2013 #24
Dems need to stick together--not fracture--in this propaganda war!! hue Nov 2013 #25
Lets be real. Ganja Ninja Nov 2013 #26
You're missing the point . . . under ACA, the insurance company can NOT cancel the plan!! Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #29
I know that scheming daemons Nov 2013 #30
I was not getting screwed by my insurance company mostlyconfused Nov 2013 #38
You are ALWAYS getting screwed by your insurance company. You are in their casino--and the casino TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #55
In addition, the numbers of those affected are artifically inflated Saviolo Nov 2013 #31
OP do you have a source for your numbers? jerkstore90210 Nov 2013 #32
welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #42
Brilliant OP 90-percent Nov 2013 #33
I stole this, but I gave you credit. renie408 Nov 2013 #35
Math. Ha! That's a good one. WowSeriously Nov 2013 #37
I have been trying to get this message out. watoos Nov 2013 #40
americans + the gnewz do not do perspective. gotcha is newsworthy. pansypoo53219 Nov 2013 #41
Here's some EXTRA MATH... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #43
Number of people who got to keep their insurance.... at least 270 million people scheming daemons Nov 2013 #47
No. Everyone was lied to. When you knowingly say something that isn't true... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #49
If YOU like YOUR plan, YOU can keep it scheming daemons Nov 2013 #51
The assurance was that EVERYONE would be able to keep their plans or doctors... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #56
And of the 2.5 million are a percentage who don't like Obama or Obamacare Lifelong Dem Nov 2013 #44
The people most hurt dickthegrouch Nov 2013 #45
They use the same propaganda about taxes jmowreader Nov 2013 #48
Wrong, wrong, wrong. The msm told me BILLONS of people are affected and losing their insurance. lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #52
Your last sentence is one of the saddest changes at DU over the last couple years. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #57
I am sorry to say, but that is my feeling. I hope that we can start to filter through the lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #59
a manufactured disaster... handmade34 Nov 2013 #53
No. Even the 1 in 120 are getting ... BlueStreak Nov 2013 #54
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #58
welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #60
The real impact, I think, is that big insurance is trying to wedge in non-compliant plans, plans tha grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #61
Very good post Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #62
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