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ljm2002

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11. I especially like #5...

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 05:01 PM

Nov 2013

...which is trotted out for the TPP and every other treaty or piece of legislation that we get wind of through the press

5) We don't know what's in it so how can you object?

These same people have no problem at all with a process that locks out legislators from even reading the draft provisions, but allows corporate representatives full participation in the negotiations -- thus ensuring that corporate rights will have primacy over the rights of the general population. But of course we aren't allowed to say that, because, (circular argument alert) -- we don't know what's in it so stop saying that!!

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Lol. Top 10 Arguments in Defense of the TPP [View all] cali Nov 2013 OP

The apologists are working from a short script. Scuba Nov 2013 #1

So are the opponents, as I guess they can be called treestar Nov 2013 #18

Nope, but the secrecy is very bothersome. What are they hiding? Scuba Nov 2013 #21

You only need one argument in opposition. DireStrike Nov 2013 #25

I know, Phlem Nov 2013 #30

How do we know that? treestar Nov 2013 #32

"The Hair on Fire crowd" would the appropriate, matching invective, I believe. n/t cheapdate Nov 2013 #47

Not really treestar Nov 2013 #56

I was responding to the use of the term "apologist" cheapdate Nov 2013 #68

K&R before the alert attempt. Brickbat Nov 2013 #2

oh they'll try. hell if they can get the post I just sent to your mail hidden cali Nov 2013 #3

Maybe if you'd stop being obnoxious, you wouldn't get alerted. It's entirely possible to post OP's KittyWampus Nov 2013 #17

I don't see cali as being obnoxious in the least. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #38

Misleading OP. jazzimov Nov 2013 #4

actually, this stuff has all been posted here. cali Nov 2013 #6

Nothing has been decided... Whisp Nov 2013 #7

"...there are lots of different proposals and also opposition to almost all of them. Which pampango Nov 2013 #9

Which explains why it needed to be kept secret. zeemike Nov 2013 #12

+1 Phlem Nov 2013 #46

... Whisp Nov 2013 #5

I see that you thrill to the siren call of the non-sequitur cali Nov 2013 #8

My #1 argument (posted in your other thread) ieoeja Nov 2013 #10

I especially like #5... ljm2002 Nov 2013 #11

Ah, but Alan Grayson has... and he's not impressed. Buns_of_Fire Nov 2013 #53

You never really loved him!!!1 QC Nov 2013 #13

Syria. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #14

+1 DireStrike Nov 2013 #26

It's what I love so much about this administration. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #31

"Listens" is a strong word. DireStrike Nov 2013 #34

A step in the right direction at least. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #40

I agree with you cali, but.. fadedrose Nov 2013 #15

fadedrose, many Democrats are victims of the President's charm. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #37

I will email him fadedrose Nov 2013 #48

Is there any substance on this issue? treestar Nov 2013 #16

lots of substance and it gets posted. cali Nov 2013 #20

You still haven't demonstrated how fast track authority gets past a tea party congress/liberal Dems KittyWampus Nov 2013 #23

So, you STILL haven't answered how Obama's getting Fast Track Authority past Congressional Tea party KittyWampus Nov 2013 #19

as of yet, those opposed do not have enough votes to stop the TPA cali Nov 2013 #22

Oh, there's been an actual head count already? LINK? And you can look to the KittyWampus Nov 2013 #24

I didn't say there was a head count, but thanks for continuing with your ususal cali Nov 2013 #33

Don't forget: it's eleventh dimensional chess. ananda Nov 2013 #27

Don't Worry Cali... If It HAD Been "Decided"... They'd All Show Up To Defend Its Brilliance... WillyT Nov 2013 #28

John Kerry defending this monstrosity woo me with science Nov 2013 #50

what a pile of crap. Yeah, it's all about sustainable fisheries in Indonesia. cali Nov 2013 #58

Fucking disgraceful. Union Scribe Nov 2013 #29

It is sickening and sadly dishonorable cali Nov 2013 #36

This ProSense Nov 2013 #42

Many of them are in the BOG cali Nov 2013 #49

Anyone that buys into those aruments deserves the TPP. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #35

Seriously? one of you alerted on this cali Nov 2013 #39

You're upset the jury hid that post? ProSense Nov 2013 #41

of course it seems legitimate to you, pro. your agenda is quite clear, pro. cali Nov 2013 #43

Really? ProSense Nov 2013 #44

I think that it's quite clear that hide is bullshit cali Nov 2013 #52

I think you're the one trying to silence people treestar Nov 2013 #57

I engage people. It may not be to your liking, but I don't run around alerting cali Nov 2013 #61

That you bothered to inform yourself is not showing treestar Nov 2013 #64

Of course it is. Your claim is just embarrassing, it's such nonsense. cali Nov 2013 #65

You've done no such thing treestar Nov 2013 #66

Here's more info Phlem Nov 2013 #45

Yup. That about sums it up. woo me with science Nov 2013 #51

"6) It will keep jobs from being outsourced" KansDem Nov 2013 #54

'it's all about exporting soy beans!' KG Nov 2013 #55

What, no "we can improve it once it passes"? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #59

ah yes. I forgot that one. cali Nov 2013 #60

it's the first step toward a really good plan Doctor_J Nov 2013 #63

It will inevitably lead to ending *all* free trade scams" nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #67

but we need to be patient. it might take fifty years Doctor_J Nov 2013 #69

The president is a good man. He has our best interests in mind Doctor_J Nov 2013 #62