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209. Passing bad bills while refusing to pass good bills, does seem to be their job

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 12:45 AM

Mar 2012

What exactly has Congress done for the American people over the past ten years to make their lives better?

They did what the Corps ordered them to, passed bills the Corps wrote for them, including the HC Bill.

If they had had the guts to get behind some of Kucinich's ideas this country would be in a lot better shape, millions might not have lost their homes, Banks would not have been bailed out, corruption would have been at least investigated, there would have been no Iraq War and 6, 000 US Soldiers and untold numbers of Iraqis would still be alive, not to mention so many who are maimed who would be healthy.

If just 'passing bills' is what people want, well, they got that. And all the fallout from the passage of those bills.

I'd rather Congress had just stayed home for the past decade, we would all have been better off.

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Thank you, Dennis, for everything. [View all] Ken Burch Mar 2012 OP

He may not be out of congress long, if at all Major Nikon Mar 2012 #1

After his concession speech, he's done. jeff47 Mar 2012 #58

And you preserved public electrical power in Cleveland eridani Mar 2012 #2

I bet there's STILL a ton of private utility money Ken Burch Mar 2012 #9

some people don't know that newspeak Mar 2012 #23

I'm in mourning. Cleita Mar 2012 #3

We lost a strong voice for some milquetoast cyclezealot Mar 2012 #64

I guess I've been away from DU too much lately. I had NO IDEA loudsue Mar 2012 #157

He wasn't primaried. He lost his district to redistricting Capn Sunshine Mar 2012 #168

I lost a lot of respect for Kaptur when she ran that ad. Dennis avoided saying anything sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #198

Before the primary cyclezealot Mar 2012 #227

Defense spending and Kucinich.. cyclezealot Mar 2012 #231

I hope he comes to Tacoma chknltl Mar 2012 #4

I'm thinking that he'd have to hang out for a couple of years to get to know the eridani Mar 2012 #13

Don't feel alone.. cyclezealot Mar 2012 #83

And we're losing Jay Inslee to his Governor bid Matariki Mar 2012 #97

Any day now. EFerrari Mar 2012 #5

Thanks for that Ken Burch Mar 2012 #8

yep G_j Mar 2012 #54

yes. marasinghe Mar 2012 #173

I'm so sad to read this. Joe Shlabotnik Mar 2012 #6

Amen jsmirman Mar 2012 #7

This can be a positive Sherman A1 Mar 2012 #10

I do like to think this way jsmirman Mar 2012 #18

and he is one of us. OF THE PEOPLE. BY THE PEOPLE. FOR THE PEOPLE. robinlynne Mar 2012 #137

Don't write him off yet. JohnnyRingo Mar 2012 #11

After 15 years, unfortunately. Fortunately, he is much better known nationally now eridani Mar 2012 #14

Very well said malaise Mar 2012 #12

Thanks, Dennis. man4allcats Mar 2012 #15

If he wants to be a governor, I sense a lot of "openings" he can run for (Wisconsin, Michigan, etc.) cascadiance Mar 2012 #16

Fat chance on the recall of Kat$hit . . . HughBeaumont Mar 2012 #17

recall would be by initiative, though, wouldn't it? Ken Burch Mar 2012 #223

For someone to come into a state and run for Governor, MineralMan Mar 2012 #19

Kucinich discusses issues that matter to the people. New candidates enter races every sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #199

There's political reality to consider. MineralMan Mar 2012 #232

I don't know why anyone would suggest he, or any other outsider, would run for Gov. of Wisc. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #236

The post you replied to of mine was directed at a DUer MineralMan Mar 2012 #237

I read the subthread and responded to your comment to more or less agree with you. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #238

I can't see that happening RZM Mar 2012 #26

Thank you, Dennis. bigwillq Mar 2012 #20

True words and well spoken... ljm2002 Mar 2012 #21

K&R tk2kewl Mar 2012 #22

The outlook for Progressives/Liberals in the "New Democrat" Party is NOT good. bvar22 Mar 2012 #24

You forgot Ned Lamont in CT KamaAina Mar 2012 #31

what about future Senator Tammy Baldwin? hfojvt Mar 2012 #39

I am going to guess your point. Because you named a couple of progressives rhett o rick Mar 2012 #110

Dayton ran outside the party establishment dflprincess Mar 2012 #160

I wish I could rec your post! Hun Joro Mar 2012 #51

I second that. nm rhett o rick Mar 2012 #90

I third that jsmirman Mar 2012 #101

I agree with your list of truths but let me add a couple. Jim Lane Mar 2012 #59

So...you know absolutely nothing about Kaptur then? jeff47 Mar 2012 #61

Slander? LOL. bvar22 Mar 2012 #68

Your post claims Kaptur's victory is a win for "the conservative, Big Business, Authoritarian Right" jeff47 Mar 2012 #70

That's a perverse reading of bvar's post. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #72

I'm making no reference to Congresswoman Kaptur what-so-ever, bvar22 Mar 2012 #87

He was talking about my OP Ken Burch Mar 2012 #127

Your venom is misdirected. nm rhett o rick Mar 2012 #92

She wasn't involved in trying to stop the Iraq War. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #116

thank you for your post mikelgb Mar 2012 #79

This is crap. Arkana Mar 2012 #247

lol, you guys are kidding this isn't the dennis that could be president obama okieinpain Mar 2012 #25

Your diss would have been a bit more effective Ken Burch Mar 2012 #35

sorry, I was in shock. just hard to believe that dennis k okieinpain Mar 2012 #43

He lost because of Republican redistricting. EFerrari Mar 2012 #73

You are still not making any sense. As progressives are targeted for elimination rhett o rick Mar 2012 #95

Look, what is your point? Ken Burch Mar 2012 #114

just noting that there are a lot of people on this site okieinpain Mar 2012 #233

"Why didn't dennis get reelected if being superconservative is the way to go"? Ken Burch Mar 2012 #234

sorry used wrong word, tried to hide page from workmate. lol. okieinpain Mar 2012 #243

Thank you, Dennis, and gassho catrose Mar 2012 #27

Dennis Kucinich speaks for me. One of the very few. Gregorian Mar 2012 #28

and in 30 years, accomplished.......... dionysus Mar 2012 #29

Changing consciousness is more important than passing watered-down bills Ken Burch Mar 2012 #34

"passing watered-down bills". You mean like the healthcare bill Dennis fought & later signed onto? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #46

is that lil feller shrugging at me? why, thems... fightin' woids! dionysus Mar 2012 #50

That was one helluva plane ride, wasn't it? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #56

Dennis did nothing to deserve your spite Ken Burch Mar 2012 #118

i don't hate anybody. you're projecting again. it's not my fault he couldn't pass a bill. dionysus Mar 2012 #126

Why are you so obsessed with passing bills? Ken Burch Mar 2012 #128

because it's their job. nt dionysus Mar 2012 #130

Their job is to represent their constituents Ken Burch Mar 2012 #134

i'm sorry dennis' lack of results upsets you so. don't worry, he'll be just fine. dionysus Mar 2012 #136

He had plenty of results Ken Burch Mar 2012 #139

you may continue to make up stuff about me if it makes you feel better about his retirement. dionysus Mar 2012 #158

I didn't make anything up-obviously, if you're this dismissive of Dennis Ken Burch Mar 2012 #162

Just as soon as they DevonRex Mar 2012 #143

! dionysus Mar 2012 #155

Nobody who "got results" as a Dem in 1994-to-2006 achieved anything. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #147

Passing bad bills while refusing to pass good bills, does seem to be their job sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #209

Why do you hate progressives? What issues do you disagree with? nm rhett o rick Mar 2012 #165

I think he's STILL mad that Dennis didn't back the watered-down health bill from the get-go Ken Burch Mar 2012 #166

being unimpressed with dennis' lack of results doesn't mean one "hates progressives" dionysus Mar 2012 #177

Jumping into an appreciation thread and start stirring up rhett o rick Mar 2012 #186

i would prefer single payer and i don't like the patriot act. i still think dennis was ineffectual. dionysus Mar 2012 #192

And Dennis voted for it in the end, so why can't you let it go Ken Burch Mar 2012 #205

I appreciate your response. But still dont understand the overwhelming need for some to rhett o rick Mar 2012 #210

By him, Martin Luther King was ineffective Ken Burch Mar 2012 #225

There were no progressives that HAD victories in Congress between 1994 and 2006 Ken Burch Mar 2012 #190

You must be even more unimpressed with Marcy Kaptur then. His record of votes, sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #200

Basically, from what I can see with Dionysis Ken Burch Mar 2012 #204

Their overt hatred for progressives is more transparent than they think. rhett o rick Mar 2012 #211

Yes I remember that bill when Newt was pushing it, it took a Democrat to pass the Heritage Foundatio Dragonfli Mar 2012 #74

Your argument makes absolutely no sense in this context. Kooch "fought" it, and then turned around Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #82

Because great pressure was brought to bear on him rather than on say Lieberman. Dragonfli Mar 2012 #85

You have distorted the entirety of this subthread, so I'll let you have it. The o.p. claims that... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #86

Did I respond to the OP or your comments? do you even know the difference? Dragonfli Mar 2012 #88

You "assume" quite a bit. Maybe "30 years of activism" has taken it's toll. I have no idea.... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #89

oh hell, this will get deleted but if you can't read what is written, are you smarter than a Dragonfli Mar 2012 #91

Here's to you & your "genius" niece. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #93

. dionysus Mar 2012 #156

No need to diss the guy's niece. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #224

I am curious why your are so visciously hateful of Kucinich. The fact that he wanted rhett o rick Mar 2012 #99

I often ask the same of the Anti-Obama contingency here. They don't answer, so I won't either. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #100

Your rude emoticon doesnt bother me in the least. And your answer reeks of childishness. nm rhett o rick Mar 2012 #103

I think I'll delete this. I may have gone a bit far. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #108

This thread wasn't about Obama at all. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #120

I hope that bill proves to be worth it-the jury's still out on that. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #135

Guess what? Obama wasn't on the ballot in 2010. Let's see if his name on the ballot..... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #178

Kucinich was re-elected in 2010. It was THIS year that he was gerrymandered out Ken Burch Mar 2012 #189

Yeah what scumbag he is... SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #36

in this example, you need to construct a sturdier strawman. dionysus Mar 2012 #48

Riiiiight.... SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #119

yu've cut me to the bone. dionysus Mar 2012 #125

Go away. You have no good reason to be in this thread Ken Burch Mar 2012 #141

No...you have an obligation to say why you hold Dennis in such contempt Ken Burch Mar 2012 #121

i don't hold dennis in contempt, he just never acheived any results other than talking a good game. dionysus Mar 2012 #123

NO Dem achieved any results between 1994 and 2006 Ken Burch Mar 2012 #129

I posted threads soliciting help for him G_j Mar 2012 #49

Interesting. Name some politicians that you think, "can get things done". nm rhett o rick Mar 2012 #106

Um.. that was sarcasm. SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #115

My mistake. And yes I have a chip on my shoulder. nm rhett o rick Mar 2012 #133

Raising awareness that not everything that the US does is good! RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #38

Yup. And his new constituents must have noticed. It's not enough to "speak truth to power"..... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #45

It played very well for the electorate in the precincts from his old district eridani Mar 2012 #81

How many terms has Dennis served in Congress? You're talking about something that may be... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #84

you mean like a "pretty speech"? dionysus Mar 2012 #159

Exactly! You know how DU hates "pretty speeches"...... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #181

and here to think i've been repeatedly called a "cheerleader" for a "messiah"... dionysus Mar 2012 #184

It's a real kick in the head, ain't it? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #185

The problem is, you took this thread as an attack on Obama Ken Burch Mar 2012 #206

The people in his OLD district did indeed love him eridani Mar 2012 #170

The kind of idiot who thinks his "Congressional" career has been a flop? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #179

The same number as any other Democrat serving in Congress between 1994 and 2006 n/t eridani Mar 2012 #195

So GOP obstructionism was to blame? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #208

Why are you trying to turn this into a "fuck you, Obama critics" thread? Ken Burch Mar 2012 #226

It works when the GOP has the House, the Senate and the presidency n/t eridani Mar 2012 #228

Legislation isn't more important than EVERYTHING else Ken Burch Mar 2012 #239

"his hero status belies his actual record of accomplishment" brentspeak Mar 2012 #94

Kooch has three (3) legislative "successes" for his entire Congressional career. Would you like... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #107

Most of Dennis' career was under GOP control of BOTH houses Ken Burch Mar 2012 #131

Kucinich was targeted by the Republicans and this loss is not a laughing matter suffragette Mar 2012 #172

This is why we need to reform the election process from the bottom on up. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #174

That's how I found DU, through what became the election reform forum after the 2004 election suffragette Mar 2012 #201

The election reform group used to be superactive... ellisonz Mar 2012 #203

Yes, it used to be very active suffragette Mar 2012 #207

Aren't most Democrats "targeted by Republicans"? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #180

Not to the point of having their districts deliberately gerrymandered away. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #240

They could not beat him in an election, so they targeted him by gerrymandering suffragette Mar 2012 #245

Stop with the wave smilies. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #144

great isn't it? G_j Mar 2012 #47

I imagine you may even believe that to be a truth. LanternWaste Mar 2012 #52

Thanks. One of the 99 Mar 2012 #75

No Democratic member of Congress was effective between 1994 and 2006 Ken Burch Mar 2012 #167

Like I said One of the 99 Mar 2012 #175

I'm not making excuses. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #187

Nice evasion. One of the 99 Mar 2012 #194

There simply aren't any bills you COULD bring up Ken Burch Mar 2012 #196

So you're saying One of the 99 Mar 2012 #197

There were no instances in which compromise WOULD have helped his district Ken Burch Mar 2012 #202

You know for a fact there were no instances. One of the 99 Mar 2012 #213

You have no point Ken Burch Mar 2012 #214

No you missed the point One of the 99 Mar 2012 #216

There was no point to miss Ken Burch Mar 2012 #222

And you missed it again. One of the 99 Mar 2012 #229

When did he even HAVE a chance to do a little for his district? Ken Burch Mar 2012 #215

No you have the obligation One of the 99 Mar 2012 #217

NO, you're just bashing a guy who wasn't afraid to speak out Ken Burch Mar 2012 #218

Not bashing him One of the 99 Mar 2012 #220

I made no excuses Ken Burch Mar 2012 #221

Yes you are One of the 99 Mar 2012 #230

I"m not making excuses. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #241

I'm not spoiling this thread. One of the 99 Mar 2012 #244

It wasn't possible for any Dem to get anything passed between 1994 and 2006 Ken Burch Mar 2012 #122

There you go again, bvar22 Mar 2012 #176

Last night I was truly saddened when I heard of the Kucinich loss. snappyturtle Mar 2012 #30

He should hook up with Russ Feingold... SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #32

Thank you Dennis. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #33

K & R... RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #37

Thank you, Mr. Kucinich, for fighting the good fight hifiguy Mar 2012 #40

I'm not sure -- I think Kucinich played a "role" for the most part -- but this was dirty Leopolds Ghost Mar 2012 #41

Can you send me some of what you're smoking? jeff47 Mar 2012 #60

Dennis was one of the very few "good guys" left... OhioChick Mar 2012 #42

Won't be surprised if he's back on top soon. BlueIris Mar 2012 #44

A K & R and a Thank you Lifelong Protester Mar 2012 #53

kick Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #55

Thank you Dennis felix_numinous Mar 2012 #57

One less pro-life dem in the caucus Recursion Mar 2012 #62

Irrresistable Urge to attack the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party? bvar22 Mar 2012 #65

Dennis broke with that stance in 2004 and never went back. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #124

Thank you, Dennis. OnyxCollie Mar 2012 #63

Man, this REALLY sucks. Spock_is_Skeptical Mar 2012 #66

Kaptur is hardly bland RainDog Mar 2012 #67

I'll back her against Joe the Plumber, obviously(and I removed the word "bland"). Ken Burch Mar 2012 #148

I wish I could DURec this again. bvar22 Mar 2012 #69

+1 - Yup, that poll speaks volumes about what once was, here at DU... countryjake Mar 2012 #71

Dennis sure was very popular, I supported him Bryn Mar 2012 #191

K+R Thank you dennis. mikelgb Mar 2012 #76

Please don't go away. woo me with science Mar 2012 #77

K & R! Wind Dancer Mar 2012 #78

One less Democrat that actually believes in Democratic principles, Faux Dems have been Dragonfli Mar 2012 #80

You can see some Faux Dems right here in this thread. They have a hatred for progressives. rhett o rick Mar 2012 #102

They think we can't see through the false flag operation, the jokes on them, we know a Republican Dragonfli Mar 2012 #109

The oligarch's grip on the Democratic Party will make it impossible to fix rhett o rick Mar 2012 #111

They are too stupid to see how stupid they are fascisthunter Mar 2012 #151

Indeed. nt TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #96

If you want to make a difference dennis DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #98

He'll undoubtably do one of those things. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #117

Thank you, Mr. Kucinich! Octafish Mar 2012 #104

we're losing too many good people. DesertFlower Mar 2012 #105

I hope he runs for governor or senator in Ohio someday soon. limpyhobbler Mar 2012 #112

K&R libtodeath Mar 2012 #113

K&R BumRushDaShow Mar 2012 #132

Kaptur beat Kucinich because she was the better candidate. bluestate10 Mar 2012 #138

She's not the better candidate if she's to his right. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #140

She beat him because the new 9th CD contained most of her former constituents-- eridani Mar 2012 #171

she's more conservative fascisthunter Mar 2012 #188

Dennis... you need to be part of this next administration... MrMickeysMom Mar 2012 #142

Yes thank you Dennis HarveyDarkey Mar 2012 #145

DENNIS KUCINICH!!! Iggo Mar 2012 #146

yes! thank you dennis! madrchsod Mar 2012 #149

Thank You For All Your Hard Work - Many Of Us Have Appreciated Your Efforts And Wished We Could Vote cantbeserious Mar 2012 #150

God Bless him lovuian Mar 2012 #152

K&R... stonecutter357 Mar 2012 #153

Thank you, Dennis! sonias Mar 2012 #154

Thank you Dennis! pam4water Mar 2012 #161

K&R. The crooked Rethug idiots that... Mr_Jefferson_24 Mar 2012 #163

Come to WA, Dennis... napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #164

K&R Tripod Mar 2012 #169

K & R ellisonz Mar 2012 #182

K&R raouldukelives Mar 2012 #183

Good job, Dennis! former9thward Mar 2012 #193

Yes, thank you Dennis. MuseRider Mar 2012 #212

I wish he would have run in Washington. mick063 Mar 2012 #219

Another kick and a big Thank You to Congressman Kucinich! countryjake Mar 2012 #235

R#209 (my highest ever) & K for, sorry I'm so late n/t UTUSN Mar 2012 #242

Thank you Dennis suffragette Mar 2012 #246