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Demo_Chris

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158. Alert for what? Obama said what he said...

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 12:47 AM

Nov 2013

I don't actually consider this that big of a lie. I know why he told it -- you might even say that he was forced to lie to counter an even BIGGER Republican lie, and that would be arguably true. You might also say that he was simplifying a somewhat complex issue for the sake of a good soundbite, and that would also be true.

Where I take offense is this "let's pretend" nonsense. It really bothers me because we are better than that. More, it's dangerous, seductive, and addictive as hell. That's exactly the cognitive dissonance / conformational bias trap that the Fox News / Dittohead contingent of the GOP has locked themselves into.

When you find yourself ignoring or trying to explain away reality because it doesn't fit some binary good guy / bad guy world view, you're already gone. You've lost the freaking plot. We aren't posting here at the Barrack Obama Fanclub, we are posting here to discuss Democratic ideals and how best to advance our movement and agenda. We won't accomplish that by trying to BS each other or ourselves.

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Why I'm pissed, and why you should be, too. [View all] WilliamPitt Nov 2013 OP

So it's all them... lame54 Nov 2013 #1

"cyber-destruction" bungled the cancelled-policies issue, I take it? WilliamPitt Nov 2013 #3

Or... lame54 Nov 2013 #4

Whats interesting in the arguments that the insurance companies are to blame, corrupt and greedy. Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #69

Bingo! WowSeriously Nov 2013 #77

^^This^^ n/t AndyA Nov 2013 #82

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ace Acme Nov 2013 #90

^^^THIS^^^^^ 2banon Nov 2013 #104

heh. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2013 #120

well, how else would they depict any opposition to the AIA act as "playing into Big Insurance's MisterP Nov 2013 #121

The dissonance is strong with this issue.. Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #167

Precisely, Jesus Malverde, the for profit "health" insurance corpse are the scorpions Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #130

I like your analogy. Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #166

+1000000 liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #131

I must agree. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #174

Absolutely right. Therefore.... rlegro Nov 2013 #124

I am glad the Obama Haters are getting tuned up Cryptoad Nov 2013 #68

Policy hater does not equal Obama hater. Sorry. WowSeriously Nov 2013 #79

Obama admin. chose the website designer/administration company. lark Nov 2013 #92

16 companies were eligible to bid....4 did....CGI won the contract. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #102

Good question onlyadream Nov 2013 #179

This is ProSense Nov 2013 #2

Actually, it's spot on. B2G Nov 2013 #8

No ProSense Nov 2013 #10

Then why is Obama proposing the one year extension of them B2G Nov 2013 #17

You asked a question that is completely debunked by Senator Sanders. ProSense Nov 2013 #19

It's not a viable solution to this political problem B2G Nov 2013 #25

No it will not, and that's why the insurers are pissed. ProSense Nov 2013 #27

Only to the ignorant... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #91

BUT they do have to tell the customer the truth... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #105

Depends on how you define a win, right? Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #117

"deceiving the American People" my butt! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #122

So your arguement is that a deception should only matter.... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #133

No my argument is that he didn't lie... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #140

My integrity? Enjoy your "unscewed polls"... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author busterbrown Nov 2013 #157

A lie is a lie. In any case, I haven't a clue what you are on about... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #159

"What I’m on “ is reality.. busterbrown Nov 2013 #162

Huh? busterbrown Nov 2013 #143

Words mean things... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #153

So how much are they paying you again? busterbrown Nov 2013 #155

Obama was saying what he thought was true onlyadream Nov 2013 #178

Hold on Demo_Chris.. you say.... blue14u Nov 2013 #149

Alert for what? Obama said what he said... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #158

You'll get over it... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #160

We all will my friend. :) Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #163

I don't consider DU a fan club blue14u Nov 2013 #161

We better win in 2014. I think... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #164

I'm like you.. the GOP died blue14u Nov 2013 #168

He Did It To Appease The Nervous Dems That Were Threatening To Jump Ship.....nt global1 Nov 2013 #23

What he proposed is that insurance companies can decide to extend... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #103

Why? ReRe Nov 2013 #134

Bernie's great, but people have the right to be "galled" about the clumsy roll-out, etc. cyberswede Nov 2013 #115

Agreed. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #21

And progressoid Nov 2013 #41

I have already heard this is President Obama's littlewolf Nov 2013 #123

I have come to believe . . . Brigid Nov 2013 #59

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #98

We have already heard right wingers saying exactly that. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #88

+1 uponit7771 Nov 2013 #99

Liberals and Progressives refuse to buy megaphones BumRushDaShow Nov 2013 #5

where are our liberal billionnaires? Sheri Nov 2013 #7

If there are any liberal billionaires, they are only socially liberal rhett o rick Nov 2013 #33

i thought Soros was fiscally liberal too. Sheri Nov 2013 #39

Well he certainly wasnt when he made his wealth. But he may be better today. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #50

not enough of them. on that we agree. nt Sheri Nov 2013 #61

factoid: liberals spend their money on causes grasswire Nov 2013 #81

A tax deductible donation to Greenpeace isnt equivalent to owning a TV Network. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #86

He's a saint these days tavalon Nov 2013 #171

Exactly BumRushDaShow Nov 2013 #38

they control the cable too. Sheri Nov 2013 #44

And ironically, Comcast's Web Mail was out for 8 hours on Wednesday BumRushDaShow Nov 2013 #58

George Soros tavalon Nov 2013 #170

I think liberal billionaire is an oxymoron. nt valerief Nov 2013 #181

it is a setback. Sheri Nov 2013 #6

It's more than a website problem B2G Nov 2013 #9

did i miss something? Sheri Nov 2013 #13

Google Obama's press conference and have a look B2G Nov 2013 #20

kk Sheri Nov 2013 #24

How many people will keep their junk policies and how big an impact will they rhett o rick Nov 2013 #34

why would people want to keep useless insurance, anyway? nt Sheri Nov 2013 #40

I dont think they will. I think after the bluster of "I want to be able to keep my existing policy. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #45

i don't see why not. Sheri Nov 2013 #51

Because they don't know it's useless. Very likely the salesmen lied to them. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #52

possible. Sheri Nov 2013 #78

Because that's what they had and were told they would be able to keep it JHB Nov 2013 #57

they should comparison shop. Sheri Nov 2013 #74

There are people out there christx30 Nov 2013 #70

i went without insurance for a few years. Sheri Nov 2013 #76

I was without insurance from christx30 Nov 2013 #113

I was one of these people onlyadream Nov 2013 #180

Yes you can...you just cannot get the subsidy... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #107

He took away talking points BumRushDaShow Nov 2013 #48

NO he didn't....now the insurance companies have to tell the truth... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #106

I totally agree with you rusty fender Nov 2013 #11

That is not how the Federal govt does things...sorry. They are NOT like private companies... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #108

"astonishing bungle" is too kind. russspeakeasy Nov 2013 #12

I think it is a sign of things to come n2doc Nov 2013 #14

If all we had to fredamae Nov 2013 #15

things started going awry when single payer G_j Nov 2013 #16

Fucking Max Baucus TransitJohn Nov 2013 #29

Exactly............nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #175

but to give the noise any credence is to pretend Obama invented clunky government programs bigtree Nov 2013 #18

Interesting. I just did an online chat from the healthcare.gov site OKNancy Nov 2013 #22

I think you're placing too much blame on the Administration and not enough cali Nov 2013 #26

shocker bigtree Nov 2013 #31

SCOTUS decision on Medicaid lark Nov 2013 #97

cali fadedrose Nov 2013 #119

lol. nothing sweet about it. I care about facts- land where they may. cali Nov 2013 #126

It truly is. Raffi Ella Nov 2013 #28

It's like they are fighting off a piranha attack with marshmallow guns. :( factsarenotfair Nov 2013 #30

You don't get a second chance to make a first impression. badtoworse Nov 2013 #32

Well, looks like I'll be obliged to bump my "mad-as-hell" meter up a few millimeters, Surya Gayatri Nov 2013 #35

I couldn't agree more...... llmart Nov 2013 #132

That would be "Thou hast," which is archaic second person singular tblue37 Nov 2013 #150

Yes, and the fixes will only obfuscate the initial intentions boomersense Nov 2013 #36

This is not just about "government." moondust Nov 2013 #37

It didn't have to be so complex Fumesucker Nov 2013 #42

Indeed. moondust Nov 2013 #62

It did in order to pass. jeff47 Nov 2013 #71

Former Democratic Vice Presidental candidate Joseph Lieberman? Fumesucker Nov 2013 #73

+1 moondust Nov 2013 #111

They SHOULD have gotten the rollout right. bvar22 Nov 2013 #43

Doing taxes next year will be a bundle of joy as well BuelahWitch Nov 2013 #72

Yes, exactly, but that's not all Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #46

Senator Scott Brown of Massachusetts, Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #47

Easy WilliamPitt Nov 2013 #66

It's not a debacle just because the pugs say it's so. Whisp Nov 2013 #49

Couldn't Agree More RobinA Nov 2013 #53

The politics of Washington sucks.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #54

I was pissed it got passed in the first place quinnox Nov 2013 #55

yes....we know... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #110

This is ridiculous. Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #56

Yeah, and ProSense Nov 2013 #60

maybe Somalia has a TruthOut division. Whisp Nov 2013 #64

+1 treestar Nov 2013 #63

+1 uponit7771 Nov 2013 #100

I am not in the least bit angry about this. treestar Nov 2013 #65

Just wait. Hissyspit Nov 2013 #151

It doesn't have to be the first day or week of the open enrollment treestar Nov 2013 #183

I am trying not to be pissed. TNNurse Nov 2013 #67

Thank you TNNurse for using blue14u Nov 2013 #147

You know what had huge problems on roll out? jeff47 Nov 2013 #75

White House fadedrose Nov 2013 #80

"...You can thank a government" oberliner Nov 2013 #83

Disbursed by a government. WilliamPitt Nov 2013 #87

And *levied* by government so those tax dollars are there to be distributed. nt tblue37 Nov 2013 #156

POTUS Obama is keeping, and will succeed in keeping, his promise to Senator Kennedy laserhaas Nov 2013 #84

Congress and President Obama knew what the insurance companies were when they wrote the ACA AndyA Nov 2013 #85

okay, so I should be pissed hfojvt Nov 2013 #89

be pissed at everything/everyone except the Baggers and Pubs. Whisp Nov 2013 #93

Who is not pissed at the Baggers & the Rethugs here? Hissyspit Nov 2013 #136

if you can compare those two for almost equal anger... Whisp Nov 2013 #137

Yeah, I could. Hissyspit Nov 2013 #141

I was the one who didn't mention baggers or pubs hfojvt Nov 2013 #182

I agree Skittles Nov 2013 #94

It wasn't a prediction problem...just you cannot stop them from doing it... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #112

No one defends government even when it succeeds TomClash Nov 2013 #95

But the government does work for the people MichaelSoE Nov 2013 #96

I never liked it when Obama apologizes Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #101

I don't know if there is a right answer anymore. merrily Nov 2013 #177

They did fix it. Moosepoop Nov 2013 #184

I just googled and could not find that, except as to group plans. merrily Nov 2013 #185

Here's one. :-) Moosepoop Nov 2013 #186

I see. They handled access and cost together by omitting the need to give info. merrily Nov 2013 #187

Agree. ananda Nov 2013 #109

Could not have said it better budkin Nov 2013 #114

Nothing is going to change. Keefer Nov 2013 #116

The Era of Crony Contracting erupted in the Reagan Era....... Burma Jones Nov 2013 #118

maybe by the time his presidency is up he will be tired of cooperating with corporations. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #125

exactly proud patriot Nov 2013 #127

I cannot understand how... kentuck Nov 2013 #128

Saint Reagan's "government is the problem" was one of the most cynically harmful statements ever indepat Nov 2013 #129

Will - in a lot of ways we contributed to nix on government. We made jokes about it, like ..... marble falls Nov 2013 #135

How did Republican politicians know in advance that the website was not ready?? Maineman Nov 2013 #138

Yeah I agree entirely, and for a President whose campaign utilized technology so masterfully, Mayberry Machiavelli Nov 2013 #139

I agree with everything here. But the ACA is NOT a debacle. That's a right wing amplification ancianita Nov 2013 #142

repukes were on the ropes after the shutdown. this revived them Doctor_J Nov 2013 #144

I think we should BAN all Republicans from getting government services! Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2013 #145

Isn't this a failure of the private company that won the contract? JEFF9K Nov 2013 #146

but make no mistake... jimlup Nov 2013 #148

and in case some people didn't get the anti-government message Enrique Nov 2013 #152

"we're going to tattoo it on their forehead in 2014"... Triana Nov 2013 #165

I'm pissed at the Republicans, not President Obama. liberalmuse Nov 2013 #169

Dude, the Democratic party has been enthusiastic partners in privatizing Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #172

dureced Mostly Orbiting Nov 2013 #173

I just had an epiphany. I am not pissed about government's failures or callousness. merrily Nov 2013 #176