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Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts) Tue Nov 19, 2013, 03:26 PM Nov 2013

Abortion is just like any other medical and surgical procedure, a necessity to treat... [View all]

an underlying condition. I celebrate, yes, celebrate, the existence of abortion, in all its various forms, as a safer, viable, alternative to bullshit and unsafe home "remedies" that have killed and maimed women in the past.

I view it as no different than something that is, in my opinion, even more drastic, open-heart surgery, I celebrate the existence of that as well, I should, both my Grandfather in the 1980s(died in 1997) and my father in the 2010s(still alive and kicking), both benefited from it. The only thing unfortunate about it was the underlying condition that lead to the necessity of the open-heart surgery. I don't see how pregnancy is any different, in general terms.

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Abortion is just like any other medical and surgical procedure, a necessity to treat... [View all] Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 OP

Are you a man? renie408 Nov 2013 #1

Yes, why? n/t Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #5

Because I cannot understand why your opinion on abortion is any more valid than renie408 Nov 2013 #15

Actually, my post is far more sensitive than you think... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #16

Well, I am glad you cleared that up for me. renie408 Nov 2013 #20

If you're implying that it MUST carry more emotional baggage than a tonsillectomy, you're wrong. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #21

Yes, I think that is the CLEAR interpretation of what I have written... renie408 Nov 2013 #29

Oh right, you MUST be a snarky asshole on DU, I forgot. Ok, let me jump on that. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #30

No, you tend to be a snarky asshole when people misrepresent what you have written. renie408 Nov 2013 #32

I said nothing about emotional baggage, hell my Dad had a bad type of survivor's guilt... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #26

"Abortion is just like any other medical and surgical procedure, a necessity to treat..." renie408 Nov 2013 #36

I did write it in a clinical fashion... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #40

Abortion IS like any other medical procedure. It's no different than tooth extraction. idwiyo Nov 2013 #88

"The moral or emotional value you assign to it has nothing to do with procedure itself." Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #93

Your OP is perfectly fine. What's is wrong, is the stigma attached to this medical procedure. idwiyo Nov 2013 #97

Sorry but Men don't belong in this argument -EVER ! I know you meant well 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #59

Unlike you I am always happy to hear from supporters. idwiyo Nov 2013 #89

Of course we belong, it affects our decision making, both politically and personally... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #94

Thank you for the dose of reality. pnwmom Nov 2013 #34

Who is denying the impact here? I'm concerned about the societal level only in... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #42

There have been many posts lately by people pnwmom Nov 2013 #47

I think the problem is that people are projecting their experiences onto others... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #56

I agree every person will react in her own unique way. pnwmom Nov 2013 #58

Since when are major medical procedures considered trivial? Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #61

Bollocks! Ours are results of scientific studies, yours are anecdotes. Ours are facts, idwiyo Nov 2013 #76

Bullshit! There is nothing insencetive about this post. Never mind "regret" crap. idwiyo Nov 2013 #63

thank you PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #81

Nah, THANK YOU! idwiyo Nov 2013 #85

It can be like removing a splinter. lapislzi Nov 2013 #75

Well said. And that's totally ok, too. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #78

My experience was pure relief too. idwiyo Nov 2013 #86

I am strongly pro-choice and escort at Planned Parenthood, but no, HERVEPA Nov 2013 #2

With today's technology, any cells from any human have to potential to... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #6

In abortions, some degree of differentiation has already occurred. HERVEPA Nov 2013 #66

I don't see how that is relevant, nor why it would invalidate my comparison. n/t Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #73

If you do work as an escort you should know that not every abortion... peace13 Nov 2013 #8

Of course. (It's volunteer, by the way). HERVEPA Nov 2013 #64

+10 rug Nov 2013 #11

Having had an ectopic and a 3 year old at the time HockeyMom Nov 2013 #80

'Every sperm is sacred' type of bullshit. It IS like any other medical condition to me. idwiyo Nov 2013 #92

Sorry but no Egnever Nov 2013 #3

It is always a necessity for the woman who chooses it to be. n/t Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #4

Sorry but no it is always a choice Egnever Nov 2013 #7

I was putting it in context, and there are more than one treatment option for many other... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #9

They are different because Egnever Nov 2013 #12

So, in your world, pregnancy isn't a medical condition at all? n/t Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #14

No, in my world abortion is not a necessity Egnever Nov 2013 #18

As I said, its a necessity for those who feel it is a necessity... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #22

I dont dissagree with that Egnever Nov 2013 #44

The human race would have ceased to exist long ago if abortions were a Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #51

I think the implication is that if Abortions were a necessity - every woman would have an abortion el_bryanto Nov 2013 #55

It is a necessity for every woman who thinks it is so. idwiyo Nov 2013 #90

are you a male ? if you are you have no validity in this-none! 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #62

That's bullshit. HERVEPA Nov 2013 #68

And as usual women's mental health, wants and dreams are casually discarded. Lars39 Nov 2013 #10

oooho strawmen! Egnever Nov 2013 #13

Really? Is a woman's brain somehow disconnected from her body? Lars39 Nov 2013 #23

Why is that a strawman? nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #24

Oh I don't know Egnever Nov 2013 #27

You're a forced birther if you discount women's mental health as a reason for abortion. Lars39 Nov 2013 #33

More strawman garbage Egnever Nov 2013 #39

Do you really believe women who have abortions don't polly7 Nov 2013 #41

Sally forth,polly7! Lars39 Nov 2013 #43

Clearly you are just going to continue to try to put words in my mouth Egnever Nov 2013 #45

No, I wasn't trying to do that at all. polly7 Nov 2013 #49

Some don't see carrying a child to term as an option at all. polly7 Nov 2013 #31

I have no problem with that Egnever Nov 2013 #35

So is gallbladder surgery Warpy Nov 2013 #37

Bollocks! It is a necessity if a woman decided she is not willing to play "incubator with legs" game idwiyo Nov 2013 #91

Untrue HERVEPA Nov 2013 #67

It's a necessity when a woman no longer wants to be pregnant. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #19

No Egnever Nov 2013 #25

Yes, it is. If a woman no longer wants to be pregnant, that is the only option. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #28

So what's your alternative for women who want to no longer be pregnant? jeff47 Nov 2013 #38

Abortion: a moral & positive choice that liberates women, saves lives, & protects families PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #17

The "choice" may be liberating but the outcome is the exact opposite. cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #46

It's extremely safe procedure and it saves countless millions of women from dying idwiyo Nov 2013 #69

the outcome arent always positive Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #50

Maybe you should start with changing the way you talk about abortion. Remove the stigma, and watch idwiyo Nov 2013 #71

I think that Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #74

That has what to do with stigmatising abortion, and damage it does to women as a result? idwiyo Nov 2013 #79

it is alaays better Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #82

That has what to do with stigmatising abortion, and damage it does to women as a result? idwiyo Nov 2013 #84

I don't talk about a bortion in that way Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #87

DU rec... SidDithers Nov 2013 #48

Um, no YarnAddict Nov 2013 #52

The health risks of carrying to term and delivery are much greater thank early termination. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #53

You seem to be unaware of the risks and complications associated with pregnancy... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #54

You really should google maternal death rates. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #57

Compare stats gollygee Nov 2013 #70

What "death of a patient"? Woman is The Patient. Period. Rest of it is forced-birthers crap! idwiyo Nov 2013 #72

Oh, I thought that poster was talking about the woman gollygee Nov 2013 #77

I am not buying that anyone can be so ignorant. Either way this post is pure RW anti-choice BS idwiyo Nov 2013 #83

Yes, I was talking about the woman as the patient. YarnAddict Nov 2013 #96

Abortion is safer than pregnancy, that's a fact. idwiyo Nov 2013 #98

I maintain that your point is based in ignorance. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #99

True. REP Nov 2013 #60

Thank you! This girl agrees with you 100%. Please, ignore "only man can say something like that" BS idwiyo Nov 2013 #65

No, it's not. cali Nov 2013 #95