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4Q2u2

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13. Good Info
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 12:25 PM
Nov 2013

As you know these things can be shaped by what questions are asked and how they are asked, but having some data to later reference to a similar survey is how one can drill down and hopefully find the truth.

I saw an article last year on Swartie Pete and the pictures creeped me out. I think my children would probably run the other direction if they ever saw such a strange interpretation of Santa and his Elves.

They are coming around (s l o w l y) antiquie Nov 2013 #1
I don't think we should necessarily impose US standards on other cultures. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #2
Actually they were a part of the slave trade to the Americas JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #4
I think an awareness on a national level of the realities of racism is a first step. MADem Nov 2013 #17
A further step on this JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #22
Ain't that the truth! nt MADem Nov 2013 #25
Yes, and the first ship that brought Africans to the English N American BainsBane Nov 2013 #35
My sister Jamaal510 Nov 2013 #44
The Dutch were also early colonizers if Africa yardwork Nov 2013 #58
This is a little different than a symbol that the Nazis stole and used for their own purposes. MADem Nov 2013 #7
Years ago my son, who idolized Michael Jordan, wanted to be his hero for Halloween. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #19
I don't think the Dutch are stupid, though--and they aren't little kids, either. MADem Nov 2013 #29
In the US it would definitely be racist treestar Nov 2013 #33
The United States is the LEAST racist nation on Earth. Laelth Nov 2013 #3
Original material from WAPO 4Q2u2 Nov 2013 #6
Interesting map. I think their work is incomplete, but it certainly is a starting point. nt MADem Nov 2013 #11
Good Info 4Q2u2 Nov 2013 #13
Nice link. "Anglo and Latin countries most tolerant" except for Venezuela and Dominican Republic. pampango Nov 2013 #14
Forgot to add this in the answer 4Q2u2 Nov 2013 #8
Excellent. Laelth Nov 2013 #9
No, the US fought a war over southern secession. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #21
Sigh. We're not perfect by any means. Laelth Nov 2013 #28
US is the least racist on Earth? Back that one up. It is absurd. kwassa Nov 2013 #54
See links and studies above. Laelth Nov 2013 #57
You made a giant sweeping statement that you really can't substantiate. kwassa Nov 2013 #59
I think you're naive about racism in the rest of the world. Laelth Nov 2013 #62
You could try substantiating your claim. kwassa Nov 2013 #63
I have represented African-Americans in lawsuits under the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Laelth Nov 2013 #64
No amount of evidence will suffice? Why don't you try me? kwassa Nov 2013 #66
Your continued attacks on the credibility and knowledge of an ally are counterproductive. Laelth Nov 2013 #67
I have visited foreign countries. What is your point? kwassa Nov 2013 #68
This is about a former client of mine, fyi. Laelth Nov 2013 #65
"11 percent of the population is foreign-born" - about the same as the US. pampango Nov 2013 #5
picture of 'black pete' Liberal_in_LA Nov 2013 #10
I've always loved this take on it: Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #12
Beat me to it! nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #15
That's what immediately came to mind. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #18
How the hell did I miss that! It's so hilarious because it's true! nt MADem Nov 2013 #26
One of my favorites! MadrasT Nov 2013 #34
I am going to meet (for the 1st time) my Dutch future brother in law in two hours, I will ask him. CBGLuthier Nov 2013 #16
Be careful what you say! Dutch people are sensitive about Black Pete mainer Nov 2013 #20
Well, I wouldn't lump "all" the Dutch in that pile. MADem Nov 2013 #27
My family is Dutch mainer Nov 2013 #31
How do the non-white family members feel about the whole slave/Moor business? MADem Nov 2013 #36
one non-white member is from Surinam mainer Nov 2013 #42
Well, all a "Moor" is, is a dark skinned Muslim person, from North Africa. MADem Nov 2013 #46
Come back and let us know what he has to say, if you get a chance to MADem Nov 2013 #30
The only Dutch I know are West Michigan Dutch gollygee Nov 2013 #23
Zwarte Pete will end up going along the way of Brer Rabbit NightWatcher Nov 2013 #24
If they started it before they had an African Immigrants treestar Nov 2013 #32
It's been going on for WAAAAAAY longer than they had any substantial immigration. MADem Nov 2013 #39
Yes. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #37
Who said the world was American? Not really sure what point you're making. MADem Nov 2013 #40
The point is exactly what was written. It is not 'OK' or 'not OK', it is Holland and up to the Dutch Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #43
How about the people who are offended by their "traditions?" You're saying they need to shut up? MADem Nov 2013 #45
There is no right to being free from offense (including you NoCal). I'm not defending their Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #49
I could not disagree with you more. I think your views are really strange, in fact. MADem Nov 2013 #50
Well said, MADem. Very well said. n/t pampango Nov 2013 #51
Thank you. nt MADem Nov 2013 #53
Of course you couldn't, big surprise there. You're more than happy to tell everybody else Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #60
That's an even stranger post than your last one. nt MADem Nov 2013 #61
I'm reminded of the recent Thai "blackface" Dunkin' Donuts ad... devils chaplain Nov 2013 #38
I started a thread on that awhile back. MADem Nov 2013 #41
David Sedaris has a hilarious piece about this regarding our Santa vs. europe's St. Nicholas. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #47
It's upthread--I busted a gut laughing! nt MADem Nov 2013 #48
Many traditions are racist malaise Nov 2013 #52
If I recall my college world history Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 2013 #55
They were in the mix early on--they didn't have a huge share of the trade, but they MADem Nov 2013 #56
They were early to the gate, as were the Portuguese. MADem Dec 2013 #71
the dutch were huge slavers heaven05 Dec 2013 #69
What is your problem? MADem Dec 2013 #70
I know, old posting, sorry madem heaven05 Dec 2013 #72
No worries--have better days. Cheers! nt MADem Dec 2013 #73
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