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seabeyond

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67. i will look for it in the morning. we had a really good thread on it.

Fri Nov 22, 2013, 10:41 PM

Nov 2013

50 shades was crock. i read a lot. i was spending a lot of time getting freebies from amazon when all that started. i had started picking up these books. not realizing what they were. poor writing. same thing over and over. no story, no plot, no good. so i had already experienced this genre.

it was a flash fad. we were told we were suppose to like it. we would be cool. and a lot of stupid happened. media took over.

personally i have not heard of one person that has liked that book. from what i hear, very very poor writing. i am all into good books. too many good authors to waste my time on that crap. it was a whole lot fo stupid. meh.

i will look for the Op tomorrow. i hope i can find it. very good article... blog, whatever.

it really was pro art. so if you are a art lover, and sounds like you are, you will appreciate. i did, and not a passion though i enjoy.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] seabeyond Nov 2013 OP

The mental gymnastics of some is nothing short of amazing. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #1

It is the same thing they used to do to gay men Warpy Nov 2013 #54

then you disagree that watching massive rape porn, getting off on it will stop rapist from raping? seabeyond Nov 2013 #72

Indeed. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #57

Wasn't that ''Clockwork Orange'' therapy? Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #2

then what would happen instead of adding the painful nausea, one experienced pleasure instead? nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #3

Aversion therapy rrneck Nov 2013 #20

and when rewarded with pleasure watching violent rape/torture porn? nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #22

It wouldn't work any better than aversion therapy. rrneck Nov 2013 #23

so, you do not agree that rape/torture porn stops rapist from raping? nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #25

I don't understand your question. rrneck Nov 2013 #27

i am not asserting this. men on the rape/torture thread are stating this. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #29

Ah. Images don't stop or start anybody from doing anything. rrneck Nov 2013 #34

hm. so, fox news does not effect the watcher? it should be fine to feed our kids whatever media seabeyond Nov 2013 #35

Not the way most people think it does. rrneck Nov 2013 #38

true. what you and i see on fox will not be the same as another. so... rape/torture video. seabeyond Nov 2013 #39

There are police officers whose job it is rrneck Nov 2013 #40

i do not know that for a fact. i wonder seeing all that, how it does effect them. and effect them seabeyond Nov 2013 #41

I'm not aware of anything in Christian theology that rrneck Nov 2013 #42

totally left field.... lol. seabeyond Nov 2013 #43

Your OP is about immersion in information to control behaivor. rrneck Nov 2013 #44

have you read the old testament? but... i am not getting all into this cause it really goes way out seabeyond Nov 2013 #45

That's understandable. rrneck Nov 2013 #48

wtf? if you fail in exchange, do you just create stories? lol. really. wtf??? seabeyond Nov 2013 #50

Working from the premis of your OP. nt rrneck Nov 2013 #56

no seabeyond Nov 2013 #58

So rrneck Nov 2013 #59

Read "Angry White Men" by Michael Kimmel ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #89

I agree with your one point Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #90

I haven't read the book rrneck Nov 2013 #238

The wooooooosh you hear chervilant Nov 2013 #222

Nope. rrneck Nov 2013 #235

like Fox news? BainsBane Nov 2013 #161

I asked you for links to those studies rrneck Nov 2013 #231

Studies show a causal link between watching violent porn and committing rape BainsBane Nov 2013 #103

I asked you for links to those studies earlier. nt rrneck Nov 2013 #230

But not for violent video games and violence? oldhippie Nov 2013 #243

I don't know BainsBane Nov 2013 #244

And in the end of the book/movie he id cured of the Ludivico Technique Nika Nov 2013 #36

The film was a masterpiece. Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #220

That was the first thing I thought of... 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #65

major difference. in clock whatever there is a punishment. what men are suggesting is the reward seabeyond Nov 2013 #71

Any kind of Violence is an "Automatic Buzz Kill below the Belt" for me FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #4

me, either. thanks freakin. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #5

So what? Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #6

defend, defend, at all cost, .... defend. that has nothing to do with this OP seabeyond Nov 2013 #7

I think it just makes you uncomfortable because DJ was a bit too honest... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #9

firstly, i think dj is a he. secondly, again, your post has nothing to do with OP seabeyond Nov 2013 #10

Peachy for you... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #11

and i was responding to what is in your posts. seabeyond Nov 2013 #14

I didn't tell anyone what to do - but I think they are Fucked Up in the Head FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #13

That damn Shakespeare - what does he know lame54 Nov 2013 #8

ha. talk about the free speech argument. cause the poster says no thanks, he is the one addressed seabeyond Nov 2013 #12

I wasn't answering the OP... lame54 Nov 2013 #15

obviously you were not. so? seabeyond Nov 2013 #16

???... lame54 Nov 2013 #17

" I wasn't answering the OP...", "obviously you were not." so? seabeyond Nov 2013 #18

I have no clue what you are getting at... lame54 Nov 2013 #19

my OP is lame? men in the rape porn thread are saying that watching rape in porn video stops rapist seabeyond Nov 2013 #21

I never said the OP was lame... lame54 Nov 2013 #24

curious what you mean by this post. seabeyond Nov 2013 #26

i should have said my reply was indented... lame54 Nov 2013 #30

clarification is our friend. thank you. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #31

it's all good lame54 Nov 2013 #32

No.. Nobody is saying that at all... opiate69 Nov 2013 #76

It does seem like a fallacy to believe that 'pressure release' or 'blowing off steam' activities Mc Mike Nov 2013 #28

I've responded to a thread by BainsBane JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #33

i read your post. and i agree with what you are saying here. i doubt that they would seabeyond Nov 2013 #37

Therapy? LIKE HELL! It will only reward and enflame them. Good grief, IrishAyes Nov 2013 #46

oh oh... good metaphor. but, we are talking porn, and that is "special". seabeyond Nov 2013 #47

The only thing special about porn is negative - it objectifies women and degrades men too IrishAyes Nov 2013 #55

so many times... seabeyond Nov 2013 #61

While on the other hand artists such as Maxfield Parrish celebrate the beauty of women. IrishAyes Nov 2013 #62

i do not know much about the art world. i walk thru and enjoy the ones that feel good to me, seabeyond Nov 2013 #63

Absolutely. I'd be indebted. IrishAyes Nov 2013 #66

i will look for it in the morning. we had a really good thread on it. seabeyond Nov 2013 #67

Gerald McRaney?? opiate69 Nov 2013 #64

Strange but not the first time I have seen it maddezmom Nov 2013 #68

Oh, come now. That was a low blow. I quoted him because he had a funny way of expressing an idea. IrishAyes Nov 2013 #70

Color me nutty, but... opiate69 Nov 2013 #73

So you've kept closer watch on McRaney than I have; is that any reason for my quoting him once when IrishAyes Nov 2013 #75

I met that guy--spent an evening with him. MADem Nov 2013 #190

Well, unfortunate as the information is, I needed and am glad to have it. Thank you. IrishAyes Nov 2013 #223

I think Kelsey Grammar's politics are in the "right wing nitwit" range. MADem Nov 2013 #246

I enjoy a good "Frasier" marathon as much as anybody... opiate69 Nov 2013 #249

most people i know are republican. when father talks rw garbage, ... meh. when discussing business seabeyond Nov 2013 #253

Sweet jesus.. try to focus on what I actually say, not what you somehow think I say... opiate69 Nov 2013 #259

I know of no correlation between voting behavior BainsBane Nov 2013 #245

Well, I imagine it's a good thing that I never said anything even remotely like that, then. opiate69 Nov 2013 #247

Wasn't Rainey's point about the negative effects of porn? BainsBane Nov 2013 #260

Installment 2.0 of "words strung together that make no damned sense"... opiate69 Nov 2013 #261

Once again, I apologize for thinking your comment had anything BainsBane Nov 2013 #262

But there does tend to be a correlation between voting behavior and opiate69 Nov 2013 #264

Being obsessed with rape porn is probably not good for one's mental health. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #49

agreed. seabeyond Nov 2013 #52

It's starts out with fantasy ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #51

rape is down. lots and lots of men are watching rape porn. ergo, watching rape porn seabeyond Nov 2013 #53

Somebody was saying that earlier ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #78

ya. they have been saying it for years. and years. and now we have one in this thread saying huh? seabeyond Nov 2013 #79

It was in another thread ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #84

Watching rape porn Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #60

"but it also doesn't encourages someone to do rape." - Have any evidence for that claim? Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #69

I have been seeing rape porn with other types of porn since last 6 years Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #77

Correlation does not equal causation davidn3600 Nov 2013 #88

I would speculate it would be just the opposite, rape porn Rex Nov 2013 #74

i dunno rex. i feel like you. and reading a poster cheer his watching it for 6 yrs... seabeyond Nov 2013 #80

Ewww indeed. Rex Nov 2013 #81

Thank you for judging Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #85

hm. you put your business on a discussion board, boast about your love of rape porn and then are seabeyond Nov 2013 #86

hmm Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #87

I wouldn't worry too much about it. polly7 Nov 2013 #92

Thank you for the support Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #95

ya. your reply to rex does sound as if you are offended. meh... seabeyond Nov 2013 #94

You Assume A Lot...meh.... Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #96

i read your words. even the ones to polly. you put out offended then say no. whatever. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #98

If i get offended...i would specifically write it..n/t Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #105

Seems a rather defensive one, never mentioned any names Rex Nov 2013 #226

They endorse rape - wow - here comes another assumption...n/t Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #227

Go cry to the admins about it, like I said I don't care if it rubs you the wrong way. Rex Nov 2013 #228

Why would i complain to admin Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #233

When did I mention your name? Oh wait, I didn't. Feeling guilty much? Rex Nov 2013 #225

Even i did not mention anyone in my original post Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #229

Nice try but I never mentioned you by name you injected yourself into this Rex Nov 2013 #232

Again there is a confusion Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #234

I'm not confused at all, you seem to be the one confusing rape and rape porn here Rex Nov 2013 #241

hmm Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #242

lol Adam051188 Nov 2013 #82

actually, there have been a number of threads on exactly what is happening in the UK about rape porn seabeyond Nov 2013 #83

good luck Adam051188 Nov 2013 #91

When women fantasize about rape, do they then want to actually be raped? Bonobo Nov 2013 #93

when a woman fantasizes about rape, it is NOT rape at all. its totally consensual role play exactly seabeyond Nov 2013 #97

Wow, that is absolutely bizarre. Bonobo Nov 2013 #99

really bonobo? really???? it is that fuckin hard for you to put it together. fuck.... seabeyond Nov 2013 #100

Yes, I honestly do not get it. Bonobo Nov 2013 #101

a womans rape fantasy is NOT a RAPE fantasy. got it. you gotta get this point. you cant seabeyond Nov 2013 #106

I completely get that. Bonobo Nov 2013 #107

a woman is fatasizing what is being DONE to her. a man is fantasizing what he is DOING to a woman. seabeyond Nov 2013 #108

Wow. polly7 Nov 2013 #110

wow seabeyond Nov 2013 #111

In other words, you can't answer. They were perfectly fine questions. polly7 Nov 2013 #113

no, they were not perfectly fine, .... a waste of time. seabeyond Nov 2013 #115

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here is more of your brilliance. amazing. simply amazing. seabeyond Nov 2013 #119

err ...... polly7 Nov 2013 #121

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #125

Like a post. polly7 Nov 2013 #129

again... just toally friggin amazing. are we done yet? seabeyond Nov 2013 #132

Sorry, what's amazing about wanting personal boundaries respected? nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #135

we arent done? no? more? i am done seabeyond Nov 2013 #137

toodles .... nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #138

This is the second thread in as many days when you've been called out for your anti-woman msanthrope Nov 2013 #258

She did the same condescending crap to me in this thread... msanthrope Nov 2013 #254

I see the difference because it is different. Bonobo Nov 2013 #112

you do not get it. i do not know if it is cause you cant or you do not want to. but... i am done. seabeyond Nov 2013 #114

Sorry, that is exactly what I am feeling about you. Bonobo Nov 2013 #116

and your purposeful obtuseness is irritating. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #117

No, it is called consistency. Bonobo Nov 2013 #120

you wont acknowledge, though you readily admit to recognizing, the very basic BIOLOGICAL difference seabeyond Nov 2013 #122

I acknowledge that men have more physical strength usually. Bonobo Nov 2013 #124

that was not the point. i spelled it out repeatedly. seabeyond Nov 2013 #127

Everyone understands, rape fantasies are okay for women, but by your decree banned for men. Kurska Nov 2013 #130

no. dont pat yourself on the back. you do not get it. you are not even close. seabeyond Nov 2013 #134

Well, could you try something besides repeatedly saying x is not x if done by person y. Kurska Nov 2013 #144

At the biological level, that difference exists. Bonobo Nov 2013 #133

oh geeeez bonobo. i am done. you are so far out there. you friend is. this is absurd. night. seabeyond Nov 2013 #136

I tried very hard to reach you halfway. Bonobo Nov 2013 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #240

thank you. simple. i repeat, repeat, i could not get why it was not simple. yes. exactly. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #250

the difference is a safe word FatBuddy Nov 2013 #248

not even the safe word. it is the simple knowledge that is all it is, which makes it nothing. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #256

what you wrote makes no sense FatBuddy Nov 2013 #257

"a womans rape fantasy is NOT a RAPE fantasy. " Kurska Nov 2013 #128

and are you seriously going to argue that a woman who has total control over what is happening in seabeyond Nov 2013 #131

What on earth are you talking about? Kurska Nov 2013 #139

this is what you and bonobo do not get. even in fuckin FANTASY the woman is not experiencing rape. seabeyond Nov 2013 #141

One of your statements was correct. Bonobo Nov 2013 #145

hmmm Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #148

tell me how a woman making all the choices without any fear is anywhere close to what rape is? seabeyond Nov 2013 #154

It's not rape. It's fantasizing about being raped. Bonobo Nov 2013 #156

the person does not want to have sex. does not want sex with that person. is forced. seabeyond Nov 2013 #158

3 points Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #159

oh wow would be hot for someone to forcibly take me... she gave her permission. she is not forcibly seabeyond Nov 2013 #160

Here's another thing that is NOTHING like rape. Bonobo Nov 2013 #162

It is. polly7 Nov 2013 #163

polly, you finally made my point. yes. it is insulting to suggesting role playing is anything at seabeyond Nov 2013 #166

Well you've got that completely backwards. polly7 Nov 2013 #168

no polly. you got it wrong. in so doing, you made my point for me on this thread. funny you. no. seabeyond Nov 2013 #174

Do you even read what you write? polly7 Nov 2013 #177

here you go. seabeyond Nov 2013 #180

Unreal. polly7 Nov 2013 #183

the unreal part is your inability to include the part of the sex slaves being forced ... find a seabeyond Nov 2013 #188

Actually. Polly made MY point. Bonobo Nov 2013 #169

Exactly. nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #171

omFg. you two. you are so fuckin funny. you tried to be all on his side. i know you did. seabeyond Nov 2013 #176

Nah ....... I don't try to be on anyone's 'side'. polly7 Nov 2013 #179

" I don't try to be on anyone's 'side'.' did you say this straight faced, or do you have a huge, seabeyond Nov 2013 #181

Some of us are able to think and function independently. Is that a novel concept for you? nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #185

you wouldnt be one. seabeyond Nov 2013 #189

lmao! Oh yes I would be. Why so insulting? nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #191

Some of us are able to think and function independently. Is that a novel concept for you? seabeyond Nov 2013 #194

In reply to this: polly7 Nov 2013 #196

you insult me, which i do not give a shit about. i said the same to you and you whine.... seabeyond Nov 2013 #198

Maybe look up at what started it. polly7 Nov 2013 #199

yes polly. each and every post for over two years. abso fuckin lutely. consistently. always. seabeyond Nov 2013 #202

Persecution complex? polly7 Nov 2013 #205

lordy woman... let it go. seabeyond Nov 2013 #209

It's always polite to reply, I try to be nice that way. nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #210

no. the confusing of rape is suggesting a "rape" fantasy has anything to do with rape. seabeyond Nov 2013 #175

all it is is sex with defined role playing. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #164

Well I was talking about fantasies, but it still brings me to the main question I had for you. Bonobo Nov 2013 #167

well geeez, it only took two fuckin hours and how many fuckin posts to get you to where you seabeyond Nov 2013 #170

Wh-wh-wh-whaaaaaaat!? Bonobo Nov 2013 #173

this... i can agree with you one. i am feeling it a bit myself. night bonobo seabeyond Nov 2013 #178

Oh, I see. Kurska Nov 2013 #150

the person did not want it and was forced? well. that would be.... hm, rape. seabeyond Nov 2013 #155

he/she is saying that Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #172

woman and man agree to pretend to allow man to force her to have sex. lmfao. seabeyond Nov 2013 #184

That's what i am saying Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #187

we agree. there is nothing about rape in that supposed "rape" fantasy but sex with a lot of seabeyond Nov 2013 #193

There is a confusion Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #195

here is the thing. rape is serious shit. to suggest women are into rape is serious shit. seabeyond Nov 2013 #200

I never suggested that women are into real rape Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #203

The scenes that acquaintances have described for me, yes� opiate69 Nov 2013 #263

absurd FatBuddy Nov 2013 #251

Seabeyond, this is where you literally fall of the rails... Bonobo Nov 2013 #140

no. you do NOT get it. no. seabeyond Nov 2013 #143

She has all the control/he has all the control Bonobo Nov 2013 #146

That excuse is pure invention BainsBane Nov 2013 #102

Link to the studies. nt Bonobo Nov 2013 #104

Your point is not valid Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #123

You're thinking too small, Ted Bundy drank water Kurska Nov 2013 #126

false BainsBane Nov 2013 #157

Yes, this is what some of the most ridiculous Tumbulu Nov 2013 #109

Agree this along with the claims like Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #151

so you think watching women being brutalized for pleasure has no effect? Tumbulu Nov 2013 #153

why do you always say women Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #165

I have no idea about you and what you do Tumbulu Nov 2013 #236

I am also against Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #239

It doesn't turn peaceful men who like women into rapists BainsBane Nov 2013 #182

Thank you, beautiful reply! nt Tumbulu Nov 2013 #237

According to my interpretation of my communication classes, ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #147

+1000 Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #149

I think that is true. Bonobo Nov 2013 #152

All you have are misleading claims and wild conjecture. last1standing Nov 2013 #186

no. what i have are men that say, here on du, that decrease of rape and increase of violent porn seabeyond Nov 2013 #197

I agree with your point Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #201

Every non-biased, scientific study has shown a correlation between viewing porn and aggression. last1standing Nov 2013 #206

ahhhh, here we go. puke. so, you would be for feeding this kid his rape porn seabeyond Nov 2013 #211

Since you're vomiting up comments I never made you might as well vomit up everything else. last1standing Nov 2013 #216

Oh really? ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #218

If you're going to link to that bs by John Briere save your energy. last1standing Nov 2013 #221

i have all kinds of thoughts on that. i have all kinds of ideas why our culture has the rapes seabeyond Nov 2013 #207

different issues Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #217

how about this. seabeyond Nov 2013 #208

why do you assume the my reaction was titillated and getting giggle? Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #213

a right to consider it? seabeyond Nov 2013 #214

yes..ofcourse you have a right to consider it... Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #219

the problem, joel.... seabeyond Nov 2013 #252

No, but I see how very judgmental, misleading and anti-feminist your post is. last1standing Nov 2013 #204

you are one of them. what are you going on about... you. whatever. i mean that sincerely. seabeyond Nov 2013 #212

LOL! There's your modus operandi. Can't argue fact, just call someone a rape apologist. last1standing Nov 2013 #215

hmmm Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #192

Way to impugn the motives of most of DU there! backscatter712 Nov 2013 #224

Yeah, no shit AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #255

Sounds like Clockwork Orange n/t BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #265

wtf? zappaman Nov 2013 #266