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Lancero

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5. All things considered...

Reply to Gravitycollapse (Original post)

Sat Nov 23, 2013, 03:45 AM

Nov 2013

If rape porn makes rapists, then violent video games make murders.

If rape porn makes rapists, then violent movies make murders.

If rape porn makes rapists, then violent music makes murders.

If rape porn makes rapists, then...

You get my point.

Edit - In case you don't, it's that if you give credence to one form of entertainment (And I use this term loosely, but focused toward simulated rape porn between two consenting adults) causing a specific form of violence (IE - Rape porn creating rapists) then you also give credence to to any argument that fulfills the same basis - That is, a specific form of entertainment, causing a specifc (but relatable) action. In this case, violent video games (where you can kill simulated characters) would create murders.

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Pornography, especially violent variants, furthers rape culture... [View all] Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 OP

bookmarking to read tomorrow. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #1

Will Ferrell & Zach Galifianakis Read '50 Shades of Grey' Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #111

This is undoubtedly why rape is so rare in countries without pornography... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #2

"rape culture" is "inflamatory, insulting, and ludicrous phrases" wow. not even a little bit of a seabeyond Nov 2013 #6

Yes, that is the intent of the phrase. There might be "rape cultures"... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #24

Yeah, because 1 out of 33 men, and 1 out of 6 women being sexually assaulted isn't rape culture KitSileya Nov 2013 #25

ah kit. you are awesome. my son bought me a coffee drink at ten last night. 5 am here now. seabeyond Nov 2013 #27

I had indeed just crawled out of bed. KitSileya Nov 2013 #46

well said! nt Mojorabbit Nov 2013 #53

Using that standard you are free to call it anything you like... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #57

Off the top of my head.... KitSileya Nov 2013 #64

Not to mention KitSileya Nov 2013 #66

did the guy end up having sex with the 13 yr old in animal house? cant remember. they were seabeyond Nov 2013 #197

no he did not. zappaman Nov 2013 #225

do we know that? or just assuming cause that is what we want? wasnt it left to us to figure? and... seabeyond Nov 2013 #226

yes, we know that. n/t zappaman Nov 2013 #228

did he then rape her on the football field? even though she consented? nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #229

No. zappaman Nov 2013 #230

She was 13. He was over 18. Even during that time it would be rape, right. She was unable to consent seabeyond Nov 2013 #240

Not trying to derail.. pipoman Nov 2013 #269

Wait...what? zappaman Nov 2013 #288

Bonobo just reminded me it is Muldoon's sister is married to pipoman Nov 2013 #304

Say what!? Bonobo Nov 2013 #290

Apparently Ahmet is married to Muldoon's sister. nt Bonobo Nov 2013 #294

Yeah, pipoman Nov 2013 #303

Gone with the Wind? Tie me Up, tie me Down? zazen Nov 2013 #65

Yeah, Gone With the Wind is a good example KitSileya Nov 2013 #68

Oh, and then you have to mention Roman Polanski KitSileya Nov 2013 #67

Sixteen Candles n/t KitSileya Nov 2013 #69

Streetcar Named Desire gollygee Nov 2013 #105

Game, set, match. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #118

Woody Allen BainsBane Nov 2013 #296

A boy and his dog? n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #216

Goldfinger phil89 Nov 2013 #285

welcome to Du gopiscrap Nov 2013 #293

Hello ~ phil89 In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #306

The entire genre of rape porn BainsBane Nov 2013 #295

I'd like to point out that Bonobo Nov 2013 #302

I guess someone never took anthro in college BainsBane Nov 2013 #300

So it's a game? snooper2 Nov 2013 #307

+1 ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #234

How is the term "rape culture" inflammatory and insulting? Insulting to who? Dash87 Nov 2013 #34

Everyone who is not a rapist. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #58

How is that? It's a description of an ailment in our culture, not saying everyone is a rapist. Dash87 Nov 2013 #61

You believe rape is excused and accepted? Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #98

Did you just claim that America is positive to homosexuality? KitSileya Nov 2013 #100

approaching attractive women and offering 50 bucks for a bj is respecting women. seabeyond Nov 2013 #139

You make the false assumption that cultural problems must be in the open to exist. Dash87 Nov 2013 #167

Not only excused and accepted. PassingFair Dec 2013 #316

You know what's really insulting? BainsBane Nov 2013 #313

To men who don't want to be exposed to discussions of rape BainsBane Nov 2013 #298

that is the same argument 2Aers put forth ... Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #40

Such is always the case. Popular opinions rarely need protection. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #62

true. it is so fuckin popular to treat all women as prostitutes, offer them 50 for a bj seabeyond Nov 2013 #126

Do you also think the ACLU is a group of dittohead, racist, kiddie diddlers? Major Nikon Nov 2013 #146

it won't last ... the ACLU is not stupid ... Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #165

The ACLU doesn't defend rapists Major Nikon Nov 2013 #168

you are really passionate for all this rape porn. - Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #170

... Major Nikon Nov 2013 #174

your passion for this subject is boundless - Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #177

The point of my post is that your response is highly predictable Major Nikon Nov 2013 #178

You are trying to put words in my mouth that I never said. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #231

The implication was obvious or you wouldn't have mentioned it to begin with Major Nikon Nov 2013 #232

AFAIAC you and I have agreed to disagree about this subject. No Big Deal. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #233

... Major Nikon Nov 2013 #235

You sure like to argue FOR something that you claim to not give a shit about and Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #238

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Nov 2013 #239

Yet you have no issues with those who post homophobic sources the SPLC says fund junk science Major Nikon Nov 2013 #243

But we're talking about people who want to ban porn that doesn't feature actual rape. EOTE Nov 2013 #312

Should cartoons of children being raped be legal then? PassingFair Dec 2013 #317

There should be NO cartoons which are illegal. EOTE Dec 2013 #319

People who sneer at the term 'rape culture' perpetrate it quite often geek tragedy Nov 2013 #113

yes. treat every attractive woman as a prostitute. really... it will be fun. yes. seabeyond Nov 2013 #123

Don't forget treating women as prey during the 'hunt' geek tragedy Nov 2013 #124

and he fuckin sits here on du.... with no qualms getting his posts hidden or addressed by seabeyond Nov 2013 #128

What country would that be? BainsBane Nov 2013 #299

The pervasive theme of stalking and killing women in popular entertainment is harmful too Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #3

Very good point! nt Tumbulu Nov 2013 #9

And on top of it... Scootaloo Nov 2013 #26

clint eastwood, always stopping a rape or getting the rapist. how many movies of his.... seabeyond Nov 2013 #28

Well, there were only two roles for women in that period of westerns Scootaloo Nov 2013 #30

"Sudden Impact" Adsos Letter Nov 2013 #79

the one with the president.... choking the woman. eastwood was a thief. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #95

Yup, forgot about that one. Adsos Letter Nov 2013 #96

The choking in "Absolute Power" was a consensual act gone very wrong Orrex Nov 2013 #209

i know there are others... but i havent seen all of his. play misty was the flip side seabeyond Nov 2013 #210

not in the book it wasn't TorchTheWitch Nov 2013 #212

Well, all right. But the point was being made about the Eastwood film. Orrex Nov 2013 #213

actually he "spanked" her once and she let it go. the second time, wasnt it? escalated seabeyond Nov 2013 #215

I believe that you're correct. Orrex Nov 2013 #222

What about it? TorchTheWitch Nov 2013 #223

My objection makes less sense now that seabeyond correctly pointed out my error (nt) Orrex Nov 2013 #224

Your points are well taken, but let us not forget: Threedifferentones Nov 2013 #91

Well, now, the Western portrays a view of masculinity KitSileya Nov 2013 #217

yup. and not the reality of the west. those women were as tough and worked as hard... as any man. seabeyond Nov 2013 #221

or being the rapist arely staircase Nov 2013 #52

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #101

another point of view Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #32

Interesting. The Social Costs of Pornography is a project of the Witherspoon Institute. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #4

No It doesn't matter to us Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #35

The link is of little concern. The paper is what's important. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #78

And I'm sure the research they link to on the evils of homosexuality is just as valid. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #81

Well, no. Obviously not. Sex negativism has a strange cross over... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #83

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #268

We all have agendas. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #272

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #277

There's a false belief that disinterest in science is a reality. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #286

But why did you select a right wing source Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #85

I didn't knowingly link to a right wing website. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #87

Essentially "This paper is good, while the rest of their studies are bad" sort of thing Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #163

Your sources are the worst sort of shitbags Major Nikon Nov 2013 #244

Self deleting would make it seem as though I'm hiding it. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #248

Suit yourself Major Nikon Nov 2013 #260

No my point is deleting a thread now would appear rather low. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #264

I know you try to pass off junk science Major Nikon Nov 2013 #271

"a study in which a rat evidently died of erotoxins from pleasuring itself to death" snooper2 Nov 2013 #308

Same author as the OP... Major Nikon Nov 2013 #311

Just for information sake, here's how you handle that. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #280

That is a good idea. I'll keep it in mind. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #282

All things considered... Lancero Nov 2013 #5

huge difference between a very natural and instinctive act of sex, and murder. dontcha think? seabeyond Nov 2013 #8

Look at our history... Lancero Nov 2013 #12

we easily recognize murder is wrong. we do not even suggest sex is wrong. but a healthy part of seabeyond Nov 2013 #13

Rape is... Lancero Nov 2013 #17

that being said? you are still going to bring that into it? seabeyond Nov 2013 #18

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #270

It was my understanding that rape has nothing to do with sex. Orrex Nov 2013 #102

and that is the issue with blurring the line between sex and rape. hence rape fantasy that is seabeyond Nov 2013 #103

I'm not sure that murder isn't a natural part of who we are Orrex Nov 2013 #134

are we all murdering? are we all having sex? nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #136

By that logic, homosexuality is unnatural Orrex Nov 2013 #137

wow. ok. whatever. really tired of this crap. we are murderous sexual beings. seabeyond Nov 2013 #138

In a nutshell, yes. We also eat, drink, and excrete. Orrex Nov 2013 #140

the vast majority of us do not murder nor have the impulse to murder. but you demand we assume the seabeyond Nov 2013 #141

That's simply a lie. I made no such demand. Orrex Nov 2013 #143

i will leave alone and let others perceive the disagreement. you put murder along with eating, seabeyond Nov 2013 #144

The lie is that you stated that I demanded that we all murder. I did not. Orrex Nov 2013 #145

that is the lie? you yourself said it is in all of us. obvious i did not mean we murder... but it seabeyond Nov 2013 #148

I clarified my position, and you ignored the clarification. Orrex Nov 2013 #149

we do not agree. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #151

I know. Orrex Nov 2013 #162

i do not think that is innate. it is practical. i am in a situation where i have to protect, seabeyond Nov 2013 #164

Please explain the substantive difference between the two Orrex Nov 2013 #171

is all of the world going around murdering and being violent? no. is all of the world seabeyond Nov 2013 #176

Surely you don't exclude asexual people from "all the world," do you? Orrex Nov 2013 #179

Hopefully not all at the same time. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #199

I do not get your point at all Tumbulu Nov 2013 #10

Effect... Lancero Nov 2013 #15

You think a person chooses to be raped? Tumbulu Nov 2013 #19

Your missing that... Lancero Nov 2013 #21

I am not following you Tumbulu Nov 2013 #55

Partially my fault... Lancero Nov 2013 #56

Try reversing this sentence just for fun. Bonobo Nov 2013 #7

Ahh the good old directional/third variable problem. Kurska Nov 2013 #11

Any society or any person who wants to ban fiction or damage freedom of speech Kurska Nov 2013 #14

that's one thing right wingers and liberals have in common. Both groups think they know what is liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #92

With all this "ban porn" talk lately, you'd think the Tea Party had invaded DU davidn3600 Nov 2013 #16

they can co sponsor Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #20

Not feminists. A few people who want to use the mantle of feminism to control others. last1standing Nov 2013 #29

And then they wonder why Hayabusa Nov 2013 #49

I'm very proud to be called a feminist. last1standing Nov 2013 #94

Well put. Hayabusa Nov 2013 #99

Bravo...very well put! Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #50

Exactly. I smell a rat. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #125

Quoting homophobic thumpers on DU? Prism Nov 2013 #22

Don't forget Judith Reisman, the source of the "science" about porn's "dangerous brain chemicals" Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #23

Oh that's where that crazy shit came from... Bonobo Nov 2013 #33

"not allowed to use anyone who celebrates Christmas or has set foot in a church" ...sigh! Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #198

Really??? opiate69 Nov 2013 #204

You have got to be kidding me. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #38

Ooooh, she's an evil one. Codeine Nov 2013 #74

This will be a quiet subthread nt ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #173

If I ever manage a girl metal band Prism Nov 2013 #247

Heh. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #291

But she looks like such a nice older lady snooper2 Nov 2013 #309

No shit. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #43

And a classic hit & run, to boot... opiate69 Nov 2013 #59

Yes, classic hit and run. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #97

My View Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #31

So, this clown's premise ... 99Forever Nov 2013 #36

I won't totally discount it Mojorabbit Nov 2013 #54

This thread is not talking about advertising. 99Forever Nov 2013 #60

Yes, those poor oppressed males. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #80

What is a "sex negative feminist"? And who would want to be one? Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #82

Sex negativism is usually a position that comodified sexuality... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #84

It sounds like "sex negative feminists" have a self-inflicted PR problem. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #90

I think most rad fems like Dworkin's work. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #93

I can't say I'm surprised Major Nikon Nov 2013 #147

Yeah..you and the Meese Commission.. Upton Nov 2013 #211

Sex positive and sex negative are terms that tend to be inflammatory Major Nikon Nov 2013 #108

Who... 99Forever Nov 2013 #153

Nope, definitely don't hate men. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #157

''men's rights meet and greets''? 99Forever Nov 2013 #166

That a specific ideology does not hero worship men does not mean it hates men. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #181

Who said anything about ''worshipping men?'' Are you hallucinating? 99Forever Nov 2013 #187

Let me explain what I mean... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #189

I think you really are hallucinating. 99Forever Nov 2013 #193

"Haters gotta hate." - Fist bump bro. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #194

I'm not your "bro" and I don't "fist bump" with haters. 99Forever Nov 2013 #203

I like ranch dressing with word salad Major Nikon Nov 2013 #206

Just because you do not understand it does not mean it is word salad. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #249

I have and I know exactly what it means Major Nikon Nov 2013 #251

So calling it word salad was just your attempt at being cute. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #257

Well, you're the expert Major Nikon Nov 2013 #261

How these threads usually go: backscatter712 Nov 2013 #37

They have also started Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #39

That too! n/t backscatter712 Nov 2013 #41

Makes me wonder what cave they came from... backscatter712 Nov 2013 #45

Funny, but true. (nt) Captain Stern Nov 2013 #48

Yep. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #70

Yes. Lather, rinse, repeat. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #75

Perfection acheived. Great post. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #192

I was not knowing that Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #42

See my #43 response. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #44

DU juries are funny that way. I hate to use the term "PC," but... Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #73

Indeed, studies show that pre-1900's or so, rape never existed The Straight Story Nov 2013 #47

Right wing sources who are anti gay and anti science should not be on any DUer's Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #51

Or as Frank Zappa once observed.... backscatter712 Nov 2013 #76

I'm watching "All About Eve" right now. Wonder when I morph into Bettee Davis. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #154

So what exactly does or does not constitute "violent porn"? And who decides what it is exactly? Yavin4 Nov 2013 #63

Sex negative feminists will decide that for us. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #89

One bit of wisdom that I remind myself of every day. ElboRuum Nov 2013 #106

What would you say if the sex negative feminist is a man? Quantess Nov 2013 #116

No. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #218

"Sex negative feminists" = "the war on Christmas" nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #119

The OP himself used the term, upthread. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #186

Tell it to Gravity Collapse. n/t Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #219

There are some people who do have an issue with Christmas celebrations. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #220

Of course not BainsBane Nov 2013 #297

"50 Shades of Grey" would easily fall into that Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #107

All porn is violent Major Nikon Nov 2013 #202

Liking what I have read from an author... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #250

The point is there isn't a monolithic definition for violent porn Major Nikon Nov 2013 #263

I think we can agree choking someone and calling them a whore... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #265

Should does not mean will Major Nikon Nov 2013 #276

A losing battle is still a battle worth fighting. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #284

So how does promoting junk science fit into your critical analysis scheme? Major Nikon Nov 2013 #287

Interesting sources you have there. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #71

That first source is run by the Witherspoon Institute LittleBlue Nov 2013 #72

That group is also known to fund junk science studies to support their small minded views Major Nikon Nov 2013 #110

Yay for wingnut sources! LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #77

Not this shit...Again. alphafemale Nov 2013 #86

You can't just deny the very existence of socialization. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #88

It's not simple, but I'm not sure how you think parroting out the works of homophobes helps Major Nikon Nov 2013 #104

"...violent pornography is comparatively rare in the real world." Totally, utterly false. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #115

Your opinion perhaps Major Nikon Nov 2013 #120

I can tell you where to go to access the largest porn websites. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #122

And all you would have done is proved the content is out there Major Nikon Nov 2013 #127

The authors said violent content is rare. I'm saying just the opposite. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #131

Good for you Major Nikon Nov 2013 #135

The study you link defines blowjobs as "aggression" Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #200

Anita Bryant claimed blowjobs were murder Major Nikon Nov 2013 #242

I think oral sex has a high likelihood of being inequitable. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #252

That's not an answer to the question. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #273

Seeing as you're talking to a "sex negative feminist", I'm fairly sure that the answer is yes. EOTE Nov 2013 #315

You make it equitable by always servicing the woman first... snooper2 Nov 2013 #310

sure I can. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #129

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence Major Nikon Nov 2013 #133

Gilbert Gottfried Reads Fifty Shades of Grey Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #109

Where can I buy the audiobook? Major Nikon Nov 2013 #112

... In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #155

For a feminist man, you are concerned with different things than I am concerned about. Quantess Nov 2013 #114

I think you're confusing me with someone else. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #117

I am against hijabs, and I am in favor of laws banning them. Quantess Nov 2013 #121

Similar to my ideas on pornography, I am not concerned with banning either. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #130

Then you seem to have contradicted yourself Major Nikon Nov 2013 #142

Very, very slowly. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #190

Can you support your own idea with anything other than useless rhetoric? Major Nikon Nov 2013 #191

Of course he can.. opiate69 Nov 2013 #195

This can't be far behind Major Nikon Nov 2013 #196

No shit.. opiate69 Nov 2013 #205

Don't forget Anita Bryant and "doctor" Laura Major Nikon Nov 2013 #207

Turns out his source and Reisman are two sides of the same coin Major Nikon Nov 2013 #283

Color me shocked! opiate69 Nov 2013 #289

Then there's this... Major Nikon Nov 2013 #292

You can go ahead an be an outspoken male feminist. Quantess Nov 2013 #150

Porn wars again? NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #132

and why wouldn't violent R rated movies also have the same symptoms, and what do you propose? lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #152

I hate porn. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #156

Anti-pornographers love to paint their ideological opponents as porn freaks Major Nikon Nov 2013 #158

I've noticed that too. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #161

Does this include gay porn? RandySF Nov 2013 #159

The bible furthers rape culture. n/t cynatnite Nov 2013 #160

Well I downloaded the articles with the intention of reading them tonight and commenting rrneck Nov 2013 #169

Rock and roll furthers devil worship and juvenile delinquency... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #172

Actually a better argument Major Nikon Nov 2013 #180

That rape is decreasing doesn't mean a variable causally linked to it must also be decreasing. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #182

Nor can we simply assume that a particular variable is causally linked to it Orrex Nov 2013 #183

No one should ever -assume- causality. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #184

But that's exactly what you're doing in reply #182 and elsewhere Orrex Nov 2013 #208

I already addressed that in another post Major Nikon Nov 2013 #188

You are absolutely right. Correlation is not causation. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #201

The counter to that is that there are other factors at work Major Nikon Nov 2013 #241

I have no problem w/ porn itself. Dash87 Nov 2013 #175

Not only does an audience exist for violent porn, it is quite popular. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #185

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #275

My argument has nothing to do with denying legal access to pornography. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #281

I agree with everything you've said here. In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #236

Let's go back to the 1969 Supreme Court and what followed. westerebus Nov 2013 #214

Lather, rinse, repeat Major Nikon Nov 2013 #237

I do not understand rape porn, and I wouldn't care if rape porn was taken away penultimate Nov 2013 #227

The more pornography women use, the more likely they are to be victims of non-consensual sex Major Nikon Nov 2013 #245

It has nothing to do with other factors? RandySF Nov 2013 #254

Your guess is as good as mine Major Nikon Nov 2013 #262

"Give me smut and nothing but" edbermac Nov 2013 #246

No RandySF Nov 2013 #253

Telling you the consequences of your actions... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #255

I've watched plenty of porn. RandySF Nov 2013 #256

Cool glad to know you are the final say... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #258

There's a joke here....nt PassingFair Dec 2013 #318

Is this what we're banning porn for this week? It makes violence sexy? flvegan Nov 2013 #259

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #266

How tiny is this proportion, would you say? Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #267

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #274

1 in 4-6 girls/women are raped. "Rapist are far and few between." seabeyond Nov 2013 #278

Rape very clearly is about sex. Otherwise, it would not involve sex. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #279

Rape is more specifically about violence Major Nikon Nov 2013 #301

""The more pornography women use, the more likely they are to be victims of non-consensual sex," Bonobo Nov 2013 #305

Sure sounds like it to me maddezmom Nov 2013 #314