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Kurska

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139. What on earth are you talking about?

Sat Nov 23, 2013, 04:24 AM

Nov 2013

"are you seriously going to argue that a woman who has total control over what is happening in her experience is being raped? "

No as a matter of fact I'm not. I have no idea on earth how you got such an idea into your head, but no that is not remotely even similar to any point I have ever made at any time in any argument. The fact that you think I said that says way more about your critical reading skills than it says about me.

I'm saying that a woman's rape fantasy isn't rape because no one is actually being forced to have sex against their will.

And that a man's rape fantasy also isn't rape because no one is actually being forced to have sex against there will.

See rape, requires one person to force another person to have unconsensual sex.

If that isn't happening, it isn't rape.

This may come as a massive surprise to you, but the thoughts and images inside peoples heads are not actually real. See humans can picture all sorts of terrible things like murder, genocides and jay walking without actually being guilty of those things.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] seabeyond Nov 2013 OP

The mental gymnastics of some is nothing short of amazing. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #1

It is the same thing they used to do to gay men Warpy Nov 2013 #54

then you disagree that watching massive rape porn, getting off on it will stop rapist from raping? seabeyond Nov 2013 #72

Indeed. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #57

Wasn't that ''Clockwork Orange'' therapy? Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #2

then what would happen instead of adding the painful nausea, one experienced pleasure instead? nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #3

Aversion therapy rrneck Nov 2013 #20

and when rewarded with pleasure watching violent rape/torture porn? nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #22

It wouldn't work any better than aversion therapy. rrneck Nov 2013 #23

so, you do not agree that rape/torture porn stops rapist from raping? nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #25

I don't understand your question. rrneck Nov 2013 #27

i am not asserting this. men on the rape/torture thread are stating this. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #29

Ah. Images don't stop or start anybody from doing anything. rrneck Nov 2013 #34

hm. so, fox news does not effect the watcher? it should be fine to feed our kids whatever media seabeyond Nov 2013 #35

Not the way most people think it does. rrneck Nov 2013 #38

true. what you and i see on fox will not be the same as another. so... rape/torture video. seabeyond Nov 2013 #39

There are police officers whose job it is rrneck Nov 2013 #40

i do not know that for a fact. i wonder seeing all that, how it does effect them. and effect them seabeyond Nov 2013 #41

I'm not aware of anything in Christian theology that rrneck Nov 2013 #42

totally left field.... lol. seabeyond Nov 2013 #43

Your OP is about immersion in information to control behaivor. rrneck Nov 2013 #44

have you read the old testament? but... i am not getting all into this cause it really goes way out seabeyond Nov 2013 #45

That's understandable. rrneck Nov 2013 #48

wtf? if you fail in exchange, do you just create stories? lol. really. wtf??? seabeyond Nov 2013 #50

Working from the premis of your OP. nt rrneck Nov 2013 #56

no seabeyond Nov 2013 #58

So rrneck Nov 2013 #59

Read "Angry White Men" by Michael Kimmel ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #89

I agree with your one point Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #90

I haven't read the book rrneck Nov 2013 #238

The wooooooosh you hear chervilant Nov 2013 #222

Nope. rrneck Nov 2013 #235

like Fox news? BainsBane Nov 2013 #161

I asked you for links to those studies rrneck Nov 2013 #231

Studies show a causal link between watching violent porn and committing rape BainsBane Nov 2013 #103

I asked you for links to those studies earlier. nt rrneck Nov 2013 #230

But not for violent video games and violence? oldhippie Nov 2013 #243

I don't know BainsBane Nov 2013 #244

And in the end of the book/movie he id cured of the Ludivico Technique Nika Nov 2013 #36

The film was a masterpiece. Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #220

That was the first thing I thought of... 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #65

major difference. in clock whatever there is a punishment. what men are suggesting is the reward seabeyond Nov 2013 #71

Any kind of Violence is an "Automatic Buzz Kill below the Belt" for me FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #4

me, either. thanks freakin. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #5

So what? Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #6

defend, defend, at all cost, .... defend. that has nothing to do with this OP seabeyond Nov 2013 #7

I think it just makes you uncomfortable because DJ was a bit too honest... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #9

firstly, i think dj is a he. secondly, again, your post has nothing to do with OP seabeyond Nov 2013 #10

Peachy for you... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #11

and i was responding to what is in your posts. seabeyond Nov 2013 #14

I didn't tell anyone what to do - but I think they are Fucked Up in the Head FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #13

That damn Shakespeare - what does he know lame54 Nov 2013 #8

ha. talk about the free speech argument. cause the poster says no thanks, he is the one addressed seabeyond Nov 2013 #12

I wasn't answering the OP... lame54 Nov 2013 #15

obviously you were not. so? seabeyond Nov 2013 #16

???... lame54 Nov 2013 #17

" I wasn't answering the OP...", "obviously you were not." so? seabeyond Nov 2013 #18

I have no clue what you are getting at... lame54 Nov 2013 #19

my OP is lame? men in the rape porn thread are saying that watching rape in porn video stops rapist seabeyond Nov 2013 #21

I never said the OP was lame... lame54 Nov 2013 #24

curious what you mean by this post. seabeyond Nov 2013 #26

i should have said my reply was indented... lame54 Nov 2013 #30

clarification is our friend. thank you. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #31

it's all good lame54 Nov 2013 #32

No.. Nobody is saying that at all... opiate69 Nov 2013 #76

It does seem like a fallacy to believe that 'pressure release' or 'blowing off steam' activities Mc Mike Nov 2013 #28

I've responded to a thread by BainsBane JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #33

i read your post. and i agree with what you are saying here. i doubt that they would seabeyond Nov 2013 #37

Therapy? LIKE HELL! It will only reward and enflame them. Good grief, IrishAyes Nov 2013 #46

oh oh... good metaphor. but, we are talking porn, and that is "special". seabeyond Nov 2013 #47

The only thing special about porn is negative - it objectifies women and degrades men too IrishAyes Nov 2013 #55

so many times... seabeyond Nov 2013 #61

While on the other hand artists such as Maxfield Parrish celebrate the beauty of women. IrishAyes Nov 2013 #62

i do not know much about the art world. i walk thru and enjoy the ones that feel good to me, seabeyond Nov 2013 #63

Absolutely. I'd be indebted. IrishAyes Nov 2013 #66

i will look for it in the morning. we had a really good thread on it. seabeyond Nov 2013 #67

Gerald McRaney?? opiate69 Nov 2013 #64

Strange but not the first time I have seen it maddezmom Nov 2013 #68

Oh, come now. That was a low blow. I quoted him because he had a funny way of expressing an idea. IrishAyes Nov 2013 #70

Color me nutty, but... opiate69 Nov 2013 #73

So you've kept closer watch on McRaney than I have; is that any reason for my quoting him once when IrishAyes Nov 2013 #75

I met that guy--spent an evening with him. MADem Nov 2013 #190

Well, unfortunate as the information is, I needed and am glad to have it. Thank you. IrishAyes Nov 2013 #223

I think Kelsey Grammar's politics are in the "right wing nitwit" range. MADem Nov 2013 #246

I enjoy a good "Frasier" marathon as much as anybody... opiate69 Nov 2013 #249

most people i know are republican. when father talks rw garbage, ... meh. when discussing business seabeyond Nov 2013 #253

Sweet jesus.. try to focus on what I actually say, not what you somehow think I say... opiate69 Nov 2013 #259

I know of no correlation between voting behavior BainsBane Nov 2013 #245

Well, I imagine it's a good thing that I never said anything even remotely like that, then. opiate69 Nov 2013 #247

Wasn't Rainey's point about the negative effects of porn? BainsBane Nov 2013 #260

Installment 2.0 of "words strung together that make no damned sense"... opiate69 Nov 2013 #261

Once again, I apologize for thinking your comment had anything BainsBane Nov 2013 #262

But there does tend to be a correlation between voting behavior and opiate69 Nov 2013 #264

Being obsessed with rape porn is probably not good for one's mental health. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #49

agreed. seabeyond Nov 2013 #52

It's starts out with fantasy ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #51

rape is down. lots and lots of men are watching rape porn. ergo, watching rape porn seabeyond Nov 2013 #53

Somebody was saying that earlier ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #78

ya. they have been saying it for years. and years. and now we have one in this thread saying huh? seabeyond Nov 2013 #79

It was in another thread ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #84

Watching rape porn Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #60

"but it also doesn't encourages someone to do rape." - Have any evidence for that claim? Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #69

I have been seeing rape porn with other types of porn since last 6 years Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #77

Correlation does not equal causation davidn3600 Nov 2013 #88

I would speculate it would be just the opposite, rape porn Rex Nov 2013 #74

i dunno rex. i feel like you. and reading a poster cheer his watching it for 6 yrs... seabeyond Nov 2013 #80

Ewww indeed. Rex Nov 2013 #81

Thank you for judging Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #85

hm. you put your business on a discussion board, boast about your love of rape porn and then are seabeyond Nov 2013 #86

hmm Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #87

I wouldn't worry too much about it. polly7 Nov 2013 #92

Thank you for the support Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #95

ya. your reply to rex does sound as if you are offended. meh... seabeyond Nov 2013 #94

You Assume A Lot...meh.... Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #96

i read your words. even the ones to polly. you put out offended then say no. whatever. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #98

If i get offended...i would specifically write it..n/t Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #105

Seems a rather defensive one, never mentioned any names Rex Nov 2013 #226

They endorse rape - wow - here comes another assumption...n/t Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #227

Go cry to the admins about it, like I said I don't care if it rubs you the wrong way. Rex Nov 2013 #228

Why would i complain to admin Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #233

When did I mention your name? Oh wait, I didn't. Feeling guilty much? Rex Nov 2013 #225

Even i did not mention anyone in my original post Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #229

Nice try but I never mentioned you by name you injected yourself into this Rex Nov 2013 #232

Again there is a confusion Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #234

I'm not confused at all, you seem to be the one confusing rape and rape porn here Rex Nov 2013 #241

hmm Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #242

lol Adam051188 Nov 2013 #82

actually, there have been a number of threads on exactly what is happening in the UK about rape porn seabeyond Nov 2013 #83

good luck Adam051188 Nov 2013 #91

When women fantasize about rape, do they then want to actually be raped? Bonobo Nov 2013 #93

when a woman fantasizes about rape, it is NOT rape at all. its totally consensual role play exactly seabeyond Nov 2013 #97

Wow, that is absolutely bizarre. Bonobo Nov 2013 #99

really bonobo? really???? it is that fuckin hard for you to put it together. fuck.... seabeyond Nov 2013 #100

Yes, I honestly do not get it. Bonobo Nov 2013 #101

a womans rape fantasy is NOT a RAPE fantasy. got it. you gotta get this point. you cant seabeyond Nov 2013 #106

I completely get that. Bonobo Nov 2013 #107

a woman is fatasizing what is being DONE to her. a man is fantasizing what he is DOING to a woman. seabeyond Nov 2013 #108

Wow. polly7 Nov 2013 #110

wow seabeyond Nov 2013 #111

In other words, you can't answer. They were perfectly fine questions. polly7 Nov 2013 #113

no, they were not perfectly fine, .... a waste of time. seabeyond Nov 2013 #115

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #118

here is more of your brilliance. amazing. simply amazing. seabeyond Nov 2013 #119

err ...... polly7 Nov 2013 #121

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #125

Like a post. polly7 Nov 2013 #129

again... just toally friggin amazing. are we done yet? seabeyond Nov 2013 #132

Sorry, what's amazing about wanting personal boundaries respected? nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #135

we arent done? no? more? i am done seabeyond Nov 2013 #137

toodles .... nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #138

This is the second thread in as many days when you've been called out for your anti-woman msanthrope Nov 2013 #258

She did the same condescending crap to me in this thread... msanthrope Nov 2013 #254

I see the difference because it is different. Bonobo Nov 2013 #112

you do not get it. i do not know if it is cause you cant or you do not want to. but... i am done. seabeyond Nov 2013 #114

Sorry, that is exactly what I am feeling about you. Bonobo Nov 2013 #116

and your purposeful obtuseness is irritating. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #117

No, it is called consistency. Bonobo Nov 2013 #120

you wont acknowledge, though you readily admit to recognizing, the very basic BIOLOGICAL difference seabeyond Nov 2013 #122

I acknowledge that men have more physical strength usually. Bonobo Nov 2013 #124

that was not the point. i spelled it out repeatedly. seabeyond Nov 2013 #127

Everyone understands, rape fantasies are okay for women, but by your decree banned for men. Kurska Nov 2013 #130

no. dont pat yourself on the back. you do not get it. you are not even close. seabeyond Nov 2013 #134

Well, could you try something besides repeatedly saying x is not x if done by person y. Kurska Nov 2013 #144

At the biological level, that difference exists. Bonobo Nov 2013 #133

oh geeeez bonobo. i am done. you are so far out there. you friend is. this is absurd. night. seabeyond Nov 2013 #136

I tried very hard to reach you halfway. Bonobo Nov 2013 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #240

thank you. simple. i repeat, repeat, i could not get why it was not simple. yes. exactly. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #250

the difference is a safe word FatBuddy Nov 2013 #248

not even the safe word. it is the simple knowledge that is all it is, which makes it nothing. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #256

what you wrote makes no sense FatBuddy Nov 2013 #257

"a womans rape fantasy is NOT a RAPE fantasy. " Kurska Nov 2013 #128

and are you seriously going to argue that a woman who has total control over what is happening in seabeyond Nov 2013 #131

What on earth are you talking about? Kurska Nov 2013 #139

this is what you and bonobo do not get. even in fuckin FANTASY the woman is not experiencing rape. seabeyond Nov 2013 #141

One of your statements was correct. Bonobo Nov 2013 #145

hmmm Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #148

tell me how a woman making all the choices without any fear is anywhere close to what rape is? seabeyond Nov 2013 #154

It's not rape. It's fantasizing about being raped. Bonobo Nov 2013 #156

the person does not want to have sex. does not want sex with that person. is forced. seabeyond Nov 2013 #158

3 points Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #159

oh wow would be hot for someone to forcibly take me... she gave her permission. she is not forcibly seabeyond Nov 2013 #160

Here's another thing that is NOTHING like rape. Bonobo Nov 2013 #162

It is. polly7 Nov 2013 #163

polly, you finally made my point. yes. it is insulting to suggesting role playing is anything at seabeyond Nov 2013 #166

Well you've got that completely backwards. polly7 Nov 2013 #168

no polly. you got it wrong. in so doing, you made my point for me on this thread. funny you. no. seabeyond Nov 2013 #174

Do you even read what you write? polly7 Nov 2013 #177

here you go. seabeyond Nov 2013 #180

Unreal. polly7 Nov 2013 #183

the unreal part is your inability to include the part of the sex slaves being forced ... find a seabeyond Nov 2013 #188

Actually. Polly made MY point. Bonobo Nov 2013 #169

Exactly. nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #171

omFg. you two. you are so fuckin funny. you tried to be all on his side. i know you did. seabeyond Nov 2013 #176

Nah ....... I don't try to be on anyone's 'side'. polly7 Nov 2013 #179

" I don't try to be on anyone's 'side'.' did you say this straight faced, or do you have a huge, seabeyond Nov 2013 #181

Some of us are able to think and function independently. Is that a novel concept for you? nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #185

you wouldnt be one. seabeyond Nov 2013 #189

lmao! Oh yes I would be. Why so insulting? nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #191

Some of us are able to think and function independently. Is that a novel concept for you? seabeyond Nov 2013 #194

In reply to this: polly7 Nov 2013 #196

you insult me, which i do not give a shit about. i said the same to you and you whine.... seabeyond Nov 2013 #198

Maybe look up at what started it. polly7 Nov 2013 #199

yes polly. each and every post for over two years. abso fuckin lutely. consistently. always. seabeyond Nov 2013 #202

Persecution complex? polly7 Nov 2013 #205

lordy woman... let it go. seabeyond Nov 2013 #209

It's always polite to reply, I try to be nice that way. nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #210

no. the confusing of rape is suggesting a "rape" fantasy has anything to do with rape. seabeyond Nov 2013 #175

all it is is sex with defined role playing. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #164

Well I was talking about fantasies, but it still brings me to the main question I had for you. Bonobo Nov 2013 #167

well geeez, it only took two fuckin hours and how many fuckin posts to get you to where you seabeyond Nov 2013 #170

Wh-wh-wh-whaaaaaaat!? Bonobo Nov 2013 #173

this... i can agree with you one. i am feeling it a bit myself. night bonobo seabeyond Nov 2013 #178

Oh, I see. Kurska Nov 2013 #150

the person did not want it and was forced? well. that would be.... hm, rape. seabeyond Nov 2013 #155

he/she is saying that Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #172

woman and man agree to pretend to allow man to force her to have sex. lmfao. seabeyond Nov 2013 #184

That's what i am saying Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #187

we agree. there is nothing about rape in that supposed "rape" fantasy but sex with a lot of seabeyond Nov 2013 #193

There is a confusion Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #195

here is the thing. rape is serious shit. to suggest women are into rape is serious shit. seabeyond Nov 2013 #200

I never suggested that women are into real rape Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #203

The scenes that acquaintances have described for me, yes� opiate69 Nov 2013 #263

absurd FatBuddy Nov 2013 #251

Seabeyond, this is where you literally fall of the rails... Bonobo Nov 2013 #140

no. you do NOT get it. no. seabeyond Nov 2013 #143

She has all the control/he has all the control Bonobo Nov 2013 #146

That excuse is pure invention BainsBane Nov 2013 #102

Link to the studies. nt Bonobo Nov 2013 #104

Your point is not valid Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #123

You're thinking too small, Ted Bundy drank water Kurska Nov 2013 #126

false BainsBane Nov 2013 #157

Yes, this is what some of the most ridiculous Tumbulu Nov 2013 #109

Agree this along with the claims like Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #151

so you think watching women being brutalized for pleasure has no effect? Tumbulu Nov 2013 #153

why do you always say women Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #165

I have no idea about you and what you do Tumbulu Nov 2013 #236

I am also against Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #239

It doesn't turn peaceful men who like women into rapists BainsBane Nov 2013 #182

Thank you, beautiful reply! nt Tumbulu Nov 2013 #237

According to my interpretation of my communication classes, ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #147

+1000 Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #149

I think that is true. Bonobo Nov 2013 #152

All you have are misleading claims and wild conjecture. last1standing Nov 2013 #186

no. what i have are men that say, here on du, that decrease of rape and increase of violent porn seabeyond Nov 2013 #197

I agree with your point Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #201

Every non-biased, scientific study has shown a correlation between viewing porn and aggression. last1standing Nov 2013 #206

ahhhh, here we go. puke. so, you would be for feeding this kid his rape porn seabeyond Nov 2013 #211

Since you're vomiting up comments I never made you might as well vomit up everything else. last1standing Nov 2013 #216

Oh really? ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #218

If you're going to link to that bs by John Briere save your energy. last1standing Nov 2013 #221

i have all kinds of thoughts on that. i have all kinds of ideas why our culture has the rapes seabeyond Nov 2013 #207

different issues Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #217

how about this. seabeyond Nov 2013 #208

why do you assume the my reaction was titillated and getting giggle? Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #213

a right to consider it? seabeyond Nov 2013 #214

yes..ofcourse you have a right to consider it... Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #219

the problem, joel.... seabeyond Nov 2013 #252

No, but I see how very judgmental, misleading and anti-feminist your post is. last1standing Nov 2013 #204

you are one of them. what are you going on about... you. whatever. i mean that sincerely. seabeyond Nov 2013 #212

LOL! There's your modus operandi. Can't argue fact, just call someone a rape apologist. last1standing Nov 2013 #215

hmmm Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #192

Way to impugn the motives of most of DU there! backscatter712 Nov 2013 #224

Yeah, no shit AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #255

Sounds like Clockwork Orange n/t BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #265

wtf? zappaman Nov 2013 #266