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sendero

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69. Depends.

Sat Nov 23, 2013, 10:01 AM

Nov 2013

... because it seems that folks have widely differing perceptions of what that would be. Something like Medicare for All would rate a 9 in my book, as it is a well run, low overhead system. Of course, the health care professions would not care for it because reimbursements are low compared to "managed care" (traditional insurance).

IMHO, if we had Medicare for All (all who wanted it), reimbursements could be raised and the overall cost to the consumer would drop based on lowering overhead ("insurance" admin costs) from 20%+ to 3%.

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I am now totally confused. Does DU support the ACA or not? [View all] philosslayer Nov 2013 OP

Surprisingly, the many people here on DU have many opinions. arcane1 Nov 2013 #1

So you started a thread and got negative feedback, welcome to DU. Rex Nov 2013 #2

I do. Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 2013 #3

The most common view is that it is an improvement, but still much worse than single payer. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #4

We have no choice but to support it at this point. Laelth Nov 2013 #5

On a scale of one to ten.. sendero Nov 2013 #6

where do you put ACA with public option? 6? 7? Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #28

Depends. sendero Nov 2013 #69

It's a discussion board. We have many opinions we are many people. We discuss. mucifer Nov 2013 #7

Whew ! Thanks for reminding us. pangaia Nov 2013 #45

There are lots of DUers who bash Obama and the ACA... SidDithers Nov 2013 #8

In your confusion you may have missed that whining about DU is outside the SOP of GD cthulu2016 Nov 2013 #9

asking for clarification on consensus views around here is not whining Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #27

Well, since you're new around here, let me explain a couple things. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #10

Uhh... sorry philosslayer Nov 2013 #17

The last thing you mention is a fact edhopper Nov 2013 #31

"this post is a little trollish" NoOneMan Nov 2013 #35

We also tend to oppose rounding Pi off to an even 3, as the Bible would have is do, Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #42

All Blacks? edhopper Nov 2013 #54

DU wasn't "pro same sex marriage" until Obama finished evolving. MNBrewer Nov 2013 #52

"epistemological orthodoxy" <-- blaahahhhahaha! nashville_brook Nov 2013 #56

I copied from the previous poster genius philosslayer Nov 2013 #62

slay that philosophy hoss nashville_brook Nov 2013 #74

Those are good points. ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #82

That's because Skinner explicitly prohibits one and explicitly allows the other. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #84

No, there are several anti-choicers among us allowed to post their drivel as well. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #83

Of course you saw the thread, you posted it. last1standing Nov 2013 #11

it wasn't propaganda. it was a call to other like-minded folks to work to make things better Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author CJCRANE Nov 2013 #12

DU is not made up of Republicans. kentuck Nov 2013 #13

You're surprised at ambivalence? Really? Marr Nov 2013 #14

So you want ACA to fail? philosslayer Nov 2013 #18

I'm sorry-- are you under the impression that liberals have magical powers? Marr Nov 2013 #19

But now that it's the best he could get treestar Nov 2013 #34

How does my lack of enthusiasm for the ACA help Republicans? /nt Marr Nov 2013 #59

They get more negativity thrown at it treestar Nov 2013 #71

Yes, I would. Marr Nov 2013 #76

They get to say the left doesn't support it either treestar Nov 2013 #78

So if people like myself would only cheer harder for the ACA, we might get Single Payer? Marr Nov 2013 #79

Where have I heard "you're either with us or against us" before? last1standing Nov 2013 #60

No middle ground is something you find at Free Republic. Marrah_G Nov 2013 #93

Some do, some don't. We have varying opinions here, Skip Intro Nov 2013 #15

"I guess some people aren't happy unless they get their pony." Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #16

Are we allowed to write OPs that mention "ponies" and such? LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #85

not everyone agrees alc Nov 2013 #20

Ambivalence PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #21

I don't know why you'd be confused. LWolf Nov 2013 #22

we've got some really really really crotchety ultra liberals who whine about everything Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #23

You're confused that a forum with tens of thousands of users isn't a monolith? (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2013 #24

I don't want the ACA to fail. However, insurance finance reform is not Autumn Nov 2013 #26

DU does. Some confused DU members don't. Of course you have the third category (trolls). nt William769 Nov 2013 #29

There are many a troll on DU these days. nt okaawhatever Nov 2013 #44

If you have an accusation, make it philosslayer Nov 2013 #49

Oh, Lord no. You my dear are the anti-troll. I believe in the ACA/Obamacare. I know that single okaawhatever Nov 2013 #51

I do not know of anyone on here trying to sabotage the ACA rurallib Nov 2013 #58

they claim to be constructively critical from the left treestar Nov 2013 #30

My pony has a torn ligament NoOneMan Nov 2013 #32

Vets are a waste of time for torn ligaments anyway. Save the money. renie408 Nov 2013 #37

Okay, i take this topic seriously... philosslayer Nov 2013 #50

The day the DU universally agrees on ANYTHING renie408 Nov 2013 #33

A lot of DUers are under the impression single-payer will just happen if we vote on it. Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #36

Wait...I thought we had to click our ruby slippers together and say renie408 Nov 2013 #38

I support it as a stepping stone to Single-payer, which is where it will take us. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #39

How will mandating that everyone under 65 buy private insurance Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #65

It goes like this... Fumesucker Nov 2013 #66

word. KG Nov 2013 #67

if people have to be browbeaten into supporting dems Enrique Nov 2013 #40

Compared to what we had before, a resounding yes. Compared to single payer, no. However, we do not lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #41

But the Democrats couldn't pass single payer without the Nuclear option, and they couldn't pass... NoOneMan Nov 2013 #43

Sorry to say but some Democrats in Congress never wanted single payer lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #53

bing bing bing NoOneMan Nov 2013 #55

the President is not well-liked stillcool Nov 2013 #46

ACA has good and bad features; politically it would have been a win; but the launch was screwed up FarCenter Nov 2013 #47

If it came down to a question of keeping the ACA or returning to the old system, nyquil_man Nov 2013 #48

Even I don't favor repeal, who is going to just return folks to the predatory individual market? TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #75

The name of this site is DemocraticUnderground, Jamaal510 Nov 2013 #57

I think it's important to ask questions Texasgal Nov 2013 #61

All or nothing, baby! Yeah!!! Iggo Nov 2013 #63

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #64

So you wrote a post whining about the perceived lack of support for a bad republican idea, Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #68

Moderates in Service to Mediocrity miss Meta very much!!!!! Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #70

lol-- no kidding. Marr Nov 2013 #81

Yes and No JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2013 #72

that poor man! he's been forced to run and get elected president twice, and is KG Nov 2013 #73

Not everyone who posts to DU is a real DUer. nt valerief Nov 2013 #77

I have mixed feelings about ACA, though mostly positive. ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #80

I'm with you zombie. Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #89

A segment of the DU population doesn't support President Obama BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #86

Yes and No fadedrose Nov 2013 #87

You can post all the insulting threads you want... polichick Nov 2013 #88

Some parts of it are...OK. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #90

It is easy to get confused... bobGandolf Nov 2013 #91

Some people like it, some hate it, some like parts and don't like other parts Marrah_G Nov 2013 #92

it's better than what we had, but it's not perfect La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #94