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Orrex

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208. But that's exactly what you're doing in reply #182 and elsewhere

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 10:37 AM

Nov 2013

You are assuming that rape-themed porn has a causative relation to actual violence, though I suspect that you will assert that this is not the case.

It's especially curious because several people have produced statistics showing a decrease in incidence of rape despite a vast increase in porn availability. Yet you dismiss these statistics apparently for no reason other than that they contradict your assumption.

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Pornography, especially violent variants, furthers rape culture... [View all] Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 OP

bookmarking to read tomorrow. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #1

Will Ferrell & Zach Galifianakis Read '50 Shades of Grey' Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #111

This is undoubtedly why rape is so rare in countries without pornography... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #2

"rape culture" is "inflamatory, insulting, and ludicrous phrases" wow. not even a little bit of a seabeyond Nov 2013 #6

Yes, that is the intent of the phrase. There might be "rape cultures"... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #24

Yeah, because 1 out of 33 men, and 1 out of 6 women being sexually assaulted isn't rape culture KitSileya Nov 2013 #25

ah kit. you are awesome. my son bought me a coffee drink at ten last night. 5 am here now. seabeyond Nov 2013 #27

I had indeed just crawled out of bed. KitSileya Nov 2013 #46

well said! nt Mojorabbit Nov 2013 #53

Using that standard you are free to call it anything you like... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #57

Off the top of my head.... KitSileya Nov 2013 #64

Not to mention KitSileya Nov 2013 #66

did the guy end up having sex with the 13 yr old in animal house? cant remember. they were seabeyond Nov 2013 #197

no he did not. zappaman Nov 2013 #225

do we know that? or just assuming cause that is what we want? wasnt it left to us to figure? and... seabeyond Nov 2013 #226

yes, we know that. n/t zappaman Nov 2013 #228

did he then rape her on the football field? even though she consented? nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #229

No. zappaman Nov 2013 #230

She was 13. He was over 18. Even during that time it would be rape, right. She was unable to consent seabeyond Nov 2013 #240

Not trying to derail.. pipoman Nov 2013 #269

Wait...what? zappaman Nov 2013 #288

Bonobo just reminded me it is Muldoon's sister is married to pipoman Nov 2013 #304

Say what!? Bonobo Nov 2013 #290

Apparently Ahmet is married to Muldoon's sister. nt Bonobo Nov 2013 #294

Yeah, pipoman Nov 2013 #303

Gone with the Wind? Tie me Up, tie me Down? zazen Nov 2013 #65

Yeah, Gone With the Wind is a good example KitSileya Nov 2013 #68

Oh, and then you have to mention Roman Polanski KitSileya Nov 2013 #67

Sixteen Candles n/t KitSileya Nov 2013 #69

Streetcar Named Desire gollygee Nov 2013 #105

Game, set, match. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #118

Woody Allen BainsBane Nov 2013 #296

A boy and his dog? n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #216

Goldfinger phil89 Nov 2013 #285

welcome to Du gopiscrap Nov 2013 #293

Hello ~ phil89 In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #306

The entire genre of rape porn BainsBane Nov 2013 #295

I'd like to point out that Bonobo Nov 2013 #302

I guess someone never took anthro in college BainsBane Nov 2013 #300

So it's a game? snooper2 Nov 2013 #307

+1 ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #234

How is the term "rape culture" inflammatory and insulting? Insulting to who? Dash87 Nov 2013 #34

Everyone who is not a rapist. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #58

How is that? It's a description of an ailment in our culture, not saying everyone is a rapist. Dash87 Nov 2013 #61

You believe rape is excused and accepted? Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #98

Did you just claim that America is positive to homosexuality? KitSileya Nov 2013 #100

approaching attractive women and offering 50 bucks for a bj is respecting women. seabeyond Nov 2013 #139

You make the false assumption that cultural problems must be in the open to exist. Dash87 Nov 2013 #167

Not only excused and accepted. PassingFair Dec 2013 #316

You know what's really insulting? BainsBane Nov 2013 #313

To men who don't want to be exposed to discussions of rape BainsBane Nov 2013 #298

that is the same argument 2Aers put forth ... Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #40

Such is always the case. Popular opinions rarely need protection. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #62

true. it is so fuckin popular to treat all women as prostitutes, offer them 50 for a bj seabeyond Nov 2013 #126

Do you also think the ACLU is a group of dittohead, racist, kiddie diddlers? Major Nikon Nov 2013 #146

it won't last ... the ACLU is not stupid ... Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #165

The ACLU doesn't defend rapists Major Nikon Nov 2013 #168

you are really passionate for all this rape porn. - Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #170

... Major Nikon Nov 2013 #174

your passion for this subject is boundless - Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #177

The point of my post is that your response is highly predictable Major Nikon Nov 2013 #178

You are trying to put words in my mouth that I never said. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #231

The implication was obvious or you wouldn't have mentioned it to begin with Major Nikon Nov 2013 #232

AFAIAC you and I have agreed to disagree about this subject. No Big Deal. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #233

... Major Nikon Nov 2013 #235

You sure like to argue FOR something that you claim to not give a shit about and Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #238

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Nov 2013 #239

Yet you have no issues with those who post homophobic sources the SPLC says fund junk science Major Nikon Nov 2013 #243

But we're talking about people who want to ban porn that doesn't feature actual rape. EOTE Nov 2013 #312

Should cartoons of children being raped be legal then? PassingFair Dec 2013 #317

There should be NO cartoons which are illegal. EOTE Dec 2013 #319

People who sneer at the term 'rape culture' perpetrate it quite often geek tragedy Nov 2013 #113

yes. treat every attractive woman as a prostitute. really... it will be fun. yes. seabeyond Nov 2013 #123

Don't forget treating women as prey during the 'hunt' geek tragedy Nov 2013 #124

and he fuckin sits here on du.... with no qualms getting his posts hidden or addressed by seabeyond Nov 2013 #128

What country would that be? BainsBane Nov 2013 #299

The pervasive theme of stalking and killing women in popular entertainment is harmful too Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #3

Very good point! nt Tumbulu Nov 2013 #9

And on top of it... Scootaloo Nov 2013 #26

clint eastwood, always stopping a rape or getting the rapist. how many movies of his.... seabeyond Nov 2013 #28

Well, there were only two roles for women in that period of westerns Scootaloo Nov 2013 #30

"Sudden Impact" Adsos Letter Nov 2013 #79

the one with the president.... choking the woman. eastwood was a thief. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #95

Yup, forgot about that one. Adsos Letter Nov 2013 #96

The choking in "Absolute Power" was a consensual act gone very wrong Orrex Nov 2013 #209

i know there are others... but i havent seen all of his. play misty was the flip side seabeyond Nov 2013 #210

not in the book it wasn't TorchTheWitch Nov 2013 #212

Well, all right. But the point was being made about the Eastwood film. Orrex Nov 2013 #213

actually he "spanked" her once and she let it go. the second time, wasnt it? escalated seabeyond Nov 2013 #215

I believe that you're correct. Orrex Nov 2013 #222

What about it? TorchTheWitch Nov 2013 #223

My objection makes less sense now that seabeyond correctly pointed out my error (nt) Orrex Nov 2013 #224

Your points are well taken, but let us not forget: Threedifferentones Nov 2013 #91

Well, now, the Western portrays a view of masculinity KitSileya Nov 2013 #217

yup. and not the reality of the west. those women were as tough and worked as hard... as any man. seabeyond Nov 2013 #221

or being the rapist arely staircase Nov 2013 #52

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #101

another point of view Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #32

Interesting. The Social Costs of Pornography is a project of the Witherspoon Institute. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #4

No It doesn't matter to us Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #35

The link is of little concern. The paper is what's important. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #78

And I'm sure the research they link to on the evils of homosexuality is just as valid. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #81

Well, no. Obviously not. Sex negativism has a strange cross over... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #83

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #268

We all have agendas. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #272

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #277

There's a false belief that disinterest in science is a reality. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #286

But why did you select a right wing source Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #85

I didn't knowingly link to a right wing website. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #87

Essentially "This paper is good, while the rest of their studies are bad" sort of thing Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #163

Your sources are the worst sort of shitbags Major Nikon Nov 2013 #244

Self deleting would make it seem as though I'm hiding it. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #248

Suit yourself Major Nikon Nov 2013 #260

No my point is deleting a thread now would appear rather low. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #264

I know you try to pass off junk science Major Nikon Nov 2013 #271

"a study in which a rat evidently died of erotoxins from pleasuring itself to death" snooper2 Nov 2013 #308

Same author as the OP... Major Nikon Nov 2013 #311

Just for information sake, here's how you handle that. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #280

That is a good idea. I'll keep it in mind. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #282

All things considered... Lancero Nov 2013 #5

huge difference between a very natural and instinctive act of sex, and murder. dontcha think? seabeyond Nov 2013 #8

Look at our history... Lancero Nov 2013 #12

we easily recognize murder is wrong. we do not even suggest sex is wrong. but a healthy part of seabeyond Nov 2013 #13

Rape is... Lancero Nov 2013 #17

that being said? you are still going to bring that into it? seabeyond Nov 2013 #18

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #270

It was my understanding that rape has nothing to do with sex. Orrex Nov 2013 #102

and that is the issue with blurring the line between sex and rape. hence rape fantasy that is seabeyond Nov 2013 #103

I'm not sure that murder isn't a natural part of who we are Orrex Nov 2013 #134

are we all murdering? are we all having sex? nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #136

By that logic, homosexuality is unnatural Orrex Nov 2013 #137

wow. ok. whatever. really tired of this crap. we are murderous sexual beings. seabeyond Nov 2013 #138

In a nutshell, yes. We also eat, drink, and excrete. Orrex Nov 2013 #140

the vast majority of us do not murder nor have the impulse to murder. but you demand we assume the seabeyond Nov 2013 #141

That's simply a lie. I made no such demand. Orrex Nov 2013 #143

i will leave alone and let others perceive the disagreement. you put murder along with eating, seabeyond Nov 2013 #144

The lie is that you stated that I demanded that we all murder. I did not. Orrex Nov 2013 #145

that is the lie? you yourself said it is in all of us. obvious i did not mean we murder... but it seabeyond Nov 2013 #148

I clarified my position, and you ignored the clarification. Orrex Nov 2013 #149

we do not agree. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #151

I know. Orrex Nov 2013 #162

i do not think that is innate. it is practical. i am in a situation where i have to protect, seabeyond Nov 2013 #164

Please explain the substantive difference between the two Orrex Nov 2013 #171

is all of the world going around murdering and being violent? no. is all of the world seabeyond Nov 2013 #176

Surely you don't exclude asexual people from "all the world," do you? Orrex Nov 2013 #179

Hopefully not all at the same time. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #199

I do not get your point at all Tumbulu Nov 2013 #10

Effect... Lancero Nov 2013 #15

You think a person chooses to be raped? Tumbulu Nov 2013 #19

Your missing that... Lancero Nov 2013 #21

I am not following you Tumbulu Nov 2013 #55

Partially my fault... Lancero Nov 2013 #56

Try reversing this sentence just for fun. Bonobo Nov 2013 #7

Ahh the good old directional/third variable problem. Kurska Nov 2013 #11

Any society or any person who wants to ban fiction or damage freedom of speech Kurska Nov 2013 #14

that's one thing right wingers and liberals have in common. Both groups think they know what is liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #92

With all this "ban porn" talk lately, you'd think the Tea Party had invaded DU davidn3600 Nov 2013 #16

they can co sponsor Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #20

Not feminists. A few people who want to use the mantle of feminism to control others. last1standing Nov 2013 #29

And then they wonder why Hayabusa Nov 2013 #49

I'm very proud to be called a feminist. last1standing Nov 2013 #94

Well put. Hayabusa Nov 2013 #99

Bravo...very well put! Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #50

Exactly. I smell a rat. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #125

Quoting homophobic thumpers on DU? Prism Nov 2013 #22

Don't forget Judith Reisman, the source of the "science" about porn's "dangerous brain chemicals" Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #23

Oh that's where that crazy shit came from... Bonobo Nov 2013 #33

"not allowed to use anyone who celebrates Christmas or has set foot in a church" ...sigh! Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #198

Really??? opiate69 Nov 2013 #204

You have got to be kidding me. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #38

Ooooh, she's an evil one. Codeine Nov 2013 #74

This will be a quiet subthread nt ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #173

If I ever manage a girl metal band Prism Nov 2013 #247

Heh. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #291

But she looks like such a nice older lady snooper2 Nov 2013 #309

No shit. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #43

And a classic hit & run, to boot... opiate69 Nov 2013 #59

Yes, classic hit and run. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #97

My View Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #31

So, this clown's premise ... 99Forever Nov 2013 #36

I won't totally discount it Mojorabbit Nov 2013 #54

This thread is not talking about advertising. 99Forever Nov 2013 #60

Yes, those poor oppressed males. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #80

What is a "sex negative feminist"? And who would want to be one? Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #82

Sex negativism is usually a position that comodified sexuality... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #84

It sounds like "sex negative feminists" have a self-inflicted PR problem. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #90

I think most rad fems like Dworkin's work. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #93

I can't say I'm surprised Major Nikon Nov 2013 #147

Yeah..you and the Meese Commission.. Upton Nov 2013 #211

Sex positive and sex negative are terms that tend to be inflammatory Major Nikon Nov 2013 #108

Who... 99Forever Nov 2013 #153

Nope, definitely don't hate men. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #157

''men's rights meet and greets''? 99Forever Nov 2013 #166

That a specific ideology does not hero worship men does not mean it hates men. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #181

Who said anything about ''worshipping men?'' Are you hallucinating? 99Forever Nov 2013 #187

Let me explain what I mean... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #189

I think you really are hallucinating. 99Forever Nov 2013 #193

"Haters gotta hate." - Fist bump bro. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #194

I'm not your "bro" and I don't "fist bump" with haters. 99Forever Nov 2013 #203

I like ranch dressing with word salad Major Nikon Nov 2013 #206

Just because you do not understand it does not mean it is word salad. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #249

I have and I know exactly what it means Major Nikon Nov 2013 #251

So calling it word salad was just your attempt at being cute. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #257

Well, you're the expert Major Nikon Nov 2013 #261

How these threads usually go: backscatter712 Nov 2013 #37

They have also started Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #39

That too! n/t backscatter712 Nov 2013 #41

Makes me wonder what cave they came from... backscatter712 Nov 2013 #45

Funny, but true. (nt) Captain Stern Nov 2013 #48

Yep. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #70

Yes. Lather, rinse, repeat. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #75

Perfection acheived. Great post. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #192

I was not knowing that Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #42

See my #43 response. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #44

DU juries are funny that way. I hate to use the term "PC," but... Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #73

Indeed, studies show that pre-1900's or so, rape never existed The Straight Story Nov 2013 #47

Right wing sources who are anti gay and anti science should not be on any DUer's Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #51

Or as Frank Zappa once observed.... backscatter712 Nov 2013 #76

I'm watching "All About Eve" right now. Wonder when I morph into Bettee Davis. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #154

So what exactly does or does not constitute "violent porn"? And who decides what it is exactly? Yavin4 Nov 2013 #63

Sex negative feminists will decide that for us. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #89

One bit of wisdom that I remind myself of every day. ElboRuum Nov 2013 #106

What would you say if the sex negative feminist is a man? Quantess Nov 2013 #116

No. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #218

"Sex negative feminists" = "the war on Christmas" nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #119

The OP himself used the term, upthread. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #186

Tell it to Gravity Collapse. n/t Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #219

There are some people who do have an issue with Christmas celebrations. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #220

Of course not BainsBane Nov 2013 #297

"50 Shades of Grey" would easily fall into that Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #107

All porn is violent Major Nikon Nov 2013 #202

Liking what I have read from an author... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #250

The point is there isn't a monolithic definition for violent porn Major Nikon Nov 2013 #263

I think we can agree choking someone and calling them a whore... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #265

Should does not mean will Major Nikon Nov 2013 #276

A losing battle is still a battle worth fighting. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #284

So how does promoting junk science fit into your critical analysis scheme? Major Nikon Nov 2013 #287

Interesting sources you have there. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #71

That first source is run by the Witherspoon Institute LittleBlue Nov 2013 #72

That group is also known to fund junk science studies to support their small minded views Major Nikon Nov 2013 #110

Yay for wingnut sources! LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #77

Not this shit...Again. alphafemale Nov 2013 #86

You can't just deny the very existence of socialization. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #88

It's not simple, but I'm not sure how you think parroting out the works of homophobes helps Major Nikon Nov 2013 #104

"...violent pornography is comparatively rare in the real world." Totally, utterly false. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #115

Your opinion perhaps Major Nikon Nov 2013 #120

I can tell you where to go to access the largest porn websites. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #122

And all you would have done is proved the content is out there Major Nikon Nov 2013 #127

The authors said violent content is rare. I'm saying just the opposite. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #131

Good for you Major Nikon Nov 2013 #135

The study you link defines blowjobs as "aggression" Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #200

Anita Bryant claimed blowjobs were murder Major Nikon Nov 2013 #242

I think oral sex has a high likelihood of being inequitable. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #252

That's not an answer to the question. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #273

Seeing as you're talking to a "sex negative feminist", I'm fairly sure that the answer is yes. EOTE Nov 2013 #315

You make it equitable by always servicing the woman first... snooper2 Nov 2013 #310

sure I can. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #129

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence Major Nikon Nov 2013 #133

Gilbert Gottfried Reads Fifty Shades of Grey Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #109

Where can I buy the audiobook? Major Nikon Nov 2013 #112

... In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #155

For a feminist man, you are concerned with different things than I am concerned about. Quantess Nov 2013 #114

I think you're confusing me with someone else. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #117

I am against hijabs, and I am in favor of laws banning them. Quantess Nov 2013 #121

Similar to my ideas on pornography, I am not concerned with banning either. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #130

Then you seem to have contradicted yourself Major Nikon Nov 2013 #142

Very, very slowly. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #190

Can you support your own idea with anything other than useless rhetoric? Major Nikon Nov 2013 #191

Of course he can.. opiate69 Nov 2013 #195

This can't be far behind Major Nikon Nov 2013 #196

No shit.. opiate69 Nov 2013 #205

Don't forget Anita Bryant and "doctor" Laura Major Nikon Nov 2013 #207

Turns out his source and Reisman are two sides of the same coin Major Nikon Nov 2013 #283

Color me shocked! opiate69 Nov 2013 #289

Then there's this... Major Nikon Nov 2013 #292

You can go ahead an be an outspoken male feminist. Quantess Nov 2013 #150

Porn wars again? NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #132

and why wouldn't violent R rated movies also have the same symptoms, and what do you propose? lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #152

I hate porn. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #156

Anti-pornographers love to paint their ideological opponents as porn freaks Major Nikon Nov 2013 #158

I've noticed that too. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #161

Does this include gay porn? RandySF Nov 2013 #159

The bible furthers rape culture. n/t cynatnite Nov 2013 #160

Well I downloaded the articles with the intention of reading them tonight and commenting rrneck Nov 2013 #169

Rock and roll furthers devil worship and juvenile delinquency... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #172

Actually a better argument Major Nikon Nov 2013 #180

That rape is decreasing doesn't mean a variable causally linked to it must also be decreasing. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #182

Nor can we simply assume that a particular variable is causally linked to it Orrex Nov 2013 #183

No one should ever -assume- causality. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #184

But that's exactly what you're doing in reply #182 and elsewhere Orrex Nov 2013 #208

I already addressed that in another post Major Nikon Nov 2013 #188

You are absolutely right. Correlation is not causation. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #201

The counter to that is that there are other factors at work Major Nikon Nov 2013 #241

I have no problem w/ porn itself. Dash87 Nov 2013 #175

Not only does an audience exist for violent porn, it is quite popular. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #185

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #275

My argument has nothing to do with denying legal access to pornography. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #281

I agree with everything you've said here. In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #236

Let's go back to the 1969 Supreme Court and what followed. westerebus Nov 2013 #214

Lather, rinse, repeat Major Nikon Nov 2013 #237

I do not understand rape porn, and I wouldn't care if rape porn was taken away penultimate Nov 2013 #227

The more pornography women use, the more likely they are to be victims of non-consensual sex Major Nikon Nov 2013 #245

It has nothing to do with other factors? RandySF Nov 2013 #254

Your guess is as good as mine Major Nikon Nov 2013 #262

"Give me smut and nothing but" edbermac Nov 2013 #246

No RandySF Nov 2013 #253

Telling you the consequences of your actions... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #255

I've watched plenty of porn. RandySF Nov 2013 #256

Cool glad to know you are the final say... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #258

There's a joke here....nt PassingFair Dec 2013 #318

Is this what we're banning porn for this week? It makes violence sexy? flvegan Nov 2013 #259

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #266

How tiny is this proportion, would you say? Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #267

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #274

1 in 4-6 girls/women are raped. "Rapist are far and few between." seabeyond Nov 2013 #278

Rape very clearly is about sex. Otherwise, it would not involve sex. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #279

Rape is more specifically about violence Major Nikon Nov 2013 #301

""The more pornography women use, the more likely they are to be victims of non-consensual sex," Bonobo Nov 2013 #305

Sure sounds like it to me maddezmom Nov 2013 #314