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SoCalDem

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7. A lot of this is because of the way our medical system has evolved.

Mon Nov 25, 2013, 11:14 AM

Nov 2013

People no longer have the old-fashioned "family doctor" who may have treated them for many years. They see a "name on a list of approved physicians". They get a fast shuffle when they have an appointment.. or the follow the path of many.. they go to the ER and take whomever is on call.

I have NO DOUBT (and have been told directly by a few candid doctors over the years) that things were "taken care of" in the privacy of the home, back when house calls were the norm.

A baby born with serious defects was often "stillborn"... a seriously injured farmer would be administered "too much" morphine... a "feeble" old person would be "helped" with their passing.

This was before there were crowed ERs with many eyes & ears observing...or HMOs/hospitals with "review boards".

These days one is almost required to linger..

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Scott Adams blog: I Hope My Father Dies Soon [View all] spinbaby Nov 2013 OP

That's actually a really good argument. TBF Nov 2013 #1

A hospice can make a great difference LiberalEsto Nov 2013 #2

Not all Hospices are equal though. The one my glinda Nov 2013 #6

Some Are For Profit... grilled onions Nov 2013 #70

And not everybody dies in hospice. My mother is now 3 years out of hospice and sinkingfeeling Nov 2013 #42

It would almost be a blessiing to lose one's mind spinbaby Nov 2013 #55

holy shit: yodermon Nov 2013 #3

Very understandable, and absolutely nothing to be alarmed or shocked about, IMNSHO. idwiyo Nov 2013 #5

As a person who had a mother who died of Alzheimer's, I totally agree with him. Javaman Nov 2013 #9

I know exactly how he feels. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #17

I'm not judging and please feel free to ignore my question if its too personal/painful riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #73

Under state law at the time, it would not have been hard to prove we AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #78

Life is so hard...I hope you've found some peace riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #84

I try not to engage in jingoism, but AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #87

Thank you for posting it. I feel exactly as Mr Adams does. It's torture, pure and simple. idwiyo Nov 2013 #4

A lot of this is because of the way our medical system has evolved. SoCalDem Nov 2013 #7

You forgot about GREED. The longer someone lives, the more money can be made off them. idwiyo Nov 2013 #8

Got that right Doctor_J Nov 2013 #12

Yes, when lifetime caps were reached, suddenly the patient died. truebluegreen Nov 2013 #13

But he seems to blame it all on" the government"?? lunasun Nov 2013 #20

Yep, he's a libertarian creep. geardaddy Nov 2013 #31

Who else should he blame? Me? You? Or arseholes who vote against euthanasia? idwiyo Nov 2013 #59

"devolved" might be a better word. at one time, doctors might actually have cared about "healing". niyad Nov 2013 #37

Torture for profit. Every one of us has or is going to go through this. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #54

I am thankful there is Dignitas and I am close enough to be able to make it there. idwiyo Nov 2013 #57

They got my mother and my little sister. They tortured mom for months while draining her assets. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #58

That's horrific. I am so sorry. I wish there was something I could do. idwiyo Nov 2013 #60

Thank you. It is horrific and most people refuse to even talk about it. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #61

I will talk about it, and I will and do support every effort to make euthansia legal. idwiyo Nov 2013 #63

My father was kept from morphine addiction when he was dying of bone cancer REP Nov 2013 #69

I can't describe how sorry I am. This is beyond horrific, knowing it's not just one person but many idwiyo Nov 2013 #72

Thanks; it was nearly 20 years ago REP Nov 2013 #74

There may have been a misunderstanding. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #79

There was no misunderstanding. REP Nov 2013 #80

That seems absolutely inhumane... AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #81

His hope was fulfilled. FarCenter Nov 2013 #10

My condolences to Scott Adams and to everyone else in the sad situation. spooky3 Nov 2013 #25

Can he just take his dad home and let him die naturally? cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #11

Not really with Alzheimer's Disease Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #22

Some hospitals have "palliative" care - pain relief to ease passing csziggy Nov 2013 #14

We fixed this a few years ago in Washington State. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #15

Alas, churches ARE allowed to support or oppose ballot measures. Just not candidates. KamaAina Nov 2013 #48

True, there is additional sectors of opposition. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #50

I think the Protestant denominations ought not be excluded from opprobrium. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #89

"women are treated differently by society for exactly the same reason that children... ZRT2209 Nov 2013 #16

Yeah, this really has little relevance here Shivering Jemmy Nov 2013 #26

sorry, got that wrong. the man is a misogynistic creep, and his feelings for his father do not niyad Nov 2013 #40

Fair enough, to raise ancillary issues. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #51

Monster? Jesus fucking christ try to grow some god damned empathy could ya CBGLuthier Nov 2013 #88

there is a difference between dumb and hateful. you are free to make whatever assessment you niyad Nov 2013 #90

Sorry, this was taken out of context and misinterpreted by someone who can not read. idwiyo Nov 2013 #62

sorry, I read the whole damned thing, and it was disgusting, no matter how he tried to weasel niyad Nov 2013 #76

Unfortunately there is no cure for willful blindness, and I am not talking about Mr Adams here. idwiyo Nov 2013 #82

you are correct, there is no cure for willful blindness. niyad Nov 2013 #83

While nothing to be proud about, you do get a point for admitting to it publicly. idwiyo Nov 2013 #91

Wait... Did you just publicly thumbsup yourself? Orrex Nov 2013 #93

Dilbert Creator Scott Adams Weighs In On Rape ZRT2209 Nov 2013 #18

I'm glad you pointed this out. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #27

Really? Shivering Jemmy Nov 2013 #36

I don't owe you any explanation for my opinion. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #39

No one owes anyone anything. Shivering Jemmy Nov 2013 #85

Lol, ok! nt Logical Nov 2013 #92

Why bother? AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #52

when my adversary is a misogynistic jerk who denies my humanity, my right to existence, claiims niyad Nov 2013 #71

That is certainly one perspective Shivering Jemmy Nov 2013 #86

On the other hand, it's great at fostering an air of smug, patronizing condescension. Orrex Nov 2013 #94

I am afraid I do not take your meaning. Shivering Jemmy Nov 2013 #95

Your Mileage May Vary Orrex Nov 2013 #96

Both male AND female bashing wow...and this dad tirade is government bashing lunasun Nov 2013 #28

I used to read his blog LittleGirl Nov 2013 #33

Yes he himself now is a cartoon. Possible ODS would be my diagnosis lunasun Nov 2013 #44

tweeting and raping are on the same level??? wow. . .just. . .wow. won't say what I think should niyad Nov 2013 #41

Another taken out of content quote. Have you actually bothered to read what he wrote? idwiyo Nov 2013 #65

Mr. Adams sounds like a nutcase Skittles Nov 2013 #77

How We Die: Reflections of Life's Final Chapter kydo Nov 2013 #19

hot damn... i love it ProdigalJunkMail Nov 2013 #21

But Scott, those are the politicians *you* vote for. knightmaar Nov 2013 #23

Guessing no = He just can blame "the gubermint " now even if it is one he voted in!!! lunasun Nov 2013 #30

^this geardaddy Nov 2013 #32

Yes, his complaint should be with the RW politicians who only care about the unborn fetus and then Fla Dem Nov 2013 #43

My Father kchamberlin25 Nov 2013 #24

welcome to DU renate Nov 2013 #45

There is money to be made in long, lingering deaths meadowlark5 Nov 2013 #29

I have been deeply affected and had my eyes opened by "How Doctors Die" Sheepshank Nov 2013 #34

This is very close to home. peace13 Nov 2013 #35

I agree, but there would have to be some controls. redstatebluegirl Nov 2013 #38

... how horrible renate Nov 2013 #46

People in town still think she is perfect and such a "sweet person" redstatebluegirl Nov 2013 #47

I sat in the hospital and watched my father die, very slowly, from AML. apnu Nov 2013 #49

My (and many others, I'm sure) condolences to you and yours. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #66

If he doesn't have his mental faculties anymore, then SOMEONE has medical power of attorney kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #53

There's a lot of conditions where the person can still linger and linger and linger jeff47 Nov 2013 #68

this is WHY we need death panels + we need to LET GO. pansypoo53219 Nov 2013 #56

my mother is 84 and wonders all the time why she is still here. n/t. okieinpain Nov 2013 #64

I'm angry too Holly_Hobby Nov 2013 #67

Scott Adams is a capitaliist misogynist tool but even a tool is right sometimes. hunter Nov 2013 #75