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In reply to the discussion: Scott Adams blog: I Hope My Father Dies Soon [View all]Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)34. I have been deeply affected and had my eyes opened by "How Doctors Die"
http://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/2011/11/30/how-doctors-die/ideas/nexus/
It's about final peace.
Years ago, Charlie, a highly respected orthopedist and a mentor of mine, found a lump in his stomach. He had a surgeon explore the area, and the diagnosis was pancreatic cancer. This surgeon was one of the best in the country. He had even invented a new procedure for this exact cancer that could triple a patients five-year-survival oddsfrom 5 percent to 15 percentalbeit with a poor quality of life. Charlie was uninterested. He went home the next day, closed his practice, and never set foot in a hospital again. He focused on spending time with family and feeling as good as possible. Several months later, he died at home. He got no chemotherapy, radiation, or surgical treatment. Medicare didnt spend much on him.
Its not a frequent topic of discussion, but doctors die, too. And they dont die like the rest of us. Whats unusual about them is not how much treatment they get compared to most Americans, but how little. For all the time they spend fending off the deaths of others, they tend to be fairly serene when faced with death themselves. They know exactly what is going to happen, they know the choices, and they generally have access to any sort of medical care they could want. But they go gently.
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Almost all medical professionals have seen what we call futile care being performed on people. Thats when doctors bring the cutting edge of technology to bear on a grievously ill person near the end of life. The patient will get cut open, perforated with tubes, hooked up to machines, and assaulted with drugs. All of this occurs in the Intensive Care Unit at a cost of tens of thousands of dollars a day. What it buys is misery we would not inflict on a terrorist. I cannot count the number of times fellow physicians have told me, in words that vary only slightly, Promise me if you find me like this that youll kill me. They mean it. Some medical personnel wear medallions stamped NO CODE to tell physicians not to perform CPR on them. I have even seen it as a tattoo.
Its not a frequent topic of discussion, but doctors die, too. And they dont die like the rest of us. Whats unusual about them is not how much treatment they get compared to most Americans, but how little. For all the time they spend fending off the deaths of others, they tend to be fairly serene when faced with death themselves. They know exactly what is going to happen, they know the choices, and they generally have access to any sort of medical care they could want. But they go gently.
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Almost all medical professionals have seen what we call futile care being performed on people. Thats when doctors bring the cutting edge of technology to bear on a grievously ill person near the end of life. The patient will get cut open, perforated with tubes, hooked up to machines, and assaulted with drugs. All of this occurs in the Intensive Care Unit at a cost of tens of thousands of dollars a day. What it buys is misery we would not inflict on a terrorist. I cannot count the number of times fellow physicians have told me, in words that vary only slightly, Promise me if you find me like this that youll kill me. They mean it. Some medical personnel wear medallions stamped NO CODE to tell physicians not to perform CPR on them. I have even seen it as a tattoo.
It's about final peace.
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And not everybody dies in hospice. My mother is now 3 years out of hospice and
sinkingfeeling
Nov 2013
#42
Very understandable, and absolutely nothing to be alarmed or shocked about, IMNSHO.
idwiyo
Nov 2013
#5
I'm not judging and please feel free to ignore my question if its too personal/painful
riderinthestorm
Nov 2013
#73
Thank you for posting it. I feel exactly as Mr Adams does. It's torture, pure and simple.
idwiyo
Nov 2013
#4
You forgot about GREED. The longer someone lives, the more money can be made off them.
idwiyo
Nov 2013
#8
"devolved" might be a better word. at one time, doctors might actually have cared about "healing".
niyad
Nov 2013
#37
Torture for profit. Every one of us has or is going to go through this.
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2013
#54
I am thankful there is Dignitas and I am close enough to be able to make it there.
idwiyo
Nov 2013
#57
They got my mother and my little sister. They tortured mom for months while draining her assets.
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2013
#58
Thank you. It is horrific and most people refuse to even talk about it.
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2013
#61
I will talk about it, and I will and do support every effort to make euthansia legal.
idwiyo
Nov 2013
#63
I can't describe how sorry I am. This is beyond horrific, knowing it's not just one person but many
idwiyo
Nov 2013
#72
Alas, churches ARE allowed to support or oppose ballot measures. Just not candidates.
KamaAina
Nov 2013
#48
"women are treated differently by society for exactly the same reason that children...
ZRT2209
Nov 2013
#16
sorry, got that wrong. the man is a misogynistic creep, and his feelings for his father do not
niyad
Nov 2013
#40
there is a difference between dumb and hateful. you are free to make whatever assessment you
niyad
Nov 2013
#90
Sorry, this was taken out of context and misinterpreted by someone who can not read.
idwiyo
Nov 2013
#62
sorry, I read the whole damned thing, and it was disgusting, no matter how he tried to weasel
niyad
Nov 2013
#76
Unfortunately there is no cure for willful blindness, and I am not talking about Mr Adams here.
idwiyo
Nov 2013
#82
While nothing to be proud about, you do get a point for admitting to it publicly.
idwiyo
Nov 2013
#91
when my adversary is a misogynistic jerk who denies my humanity, my right to existence, claiims
niyad
Nov 2013
#71
On the other hand, it's great at fostering an air of smug, patronizing condescension.
Orrex
Nov 2013
#94
tweeting and raping are on the same level??? wow. . .just. . .wow. won't say what I think should
niyad
Nov 2013
#41
Another taken out of content quote. Have you actually bothered to read what he wrote?
idwiyo
Nov 2013
#65
Guessing no = He just can blame "the gubermint " now even if it is one he voted in!!!
lunasun
Nov 2013
#30
Yes, his complaint should be with the RW politicians who only care about the unborn fetus and then
Fla Dem
Nov 2013
#43
If he doesn't have his mental faculties anymore, then SOMEONE has medical power of attorney
kestrel91316
Nov 2013
#53
There's a lot of conditions where the person can still linger and linger and linger
jeff47
Nov 2013
#68
Scott Adams is a capitaliist misogynist tool but even a tool is right sometimes.
hunter
Nov 2013
#75