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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
48. Alas, churches ARE allowed to support or oppose ballot measures. Just not candidates.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 01:45 PM
Nov 2013

Look at the Mormons (followed closely by the Catholics) and Prop H8 in CA.

It may, however, surprise you to learn that by no means all of the opposition to physician-assisted suicide comes from the religious wrong. The disability rights community is concerned that the "right to die" might quickly become a "duty to die".

http://dredf.org/public-policy/assisted-suicide/why-assisted-suicide-must-not-be-legalized/

Assisted suicide strikes many people, when they first hear about it, as a cause to support. But upon closer inspection, there are many reasons why legalization is a serious mistake. Supporters focus on superficial issues of choice and self-determination. It is crucial to look deeper. Legalizing assisted suicide would not increase choice and self-determination, despite the assertions of its proponents. It would actually augment real dangers that negate genuine choice and control.

The disability community’s opposition is based on the dangers to people with disabilities and the devaluation of disabled peoples’ lives that result from assisted suicide. Further, this opposition stems from factors that directly impact the disability community as well as all of society. These factors include the secrecy in which assisted suicide operates today, even where it is legal; the lack of robust oversight and the absence of investigation of abuse; the reality of who uses it; the dangers of legalization to further erode the quality of the U.S. health care system; and its potential for other significant harms.

In view of this reality, we address many of the disability-related effects of assisted suicide, while also encompassing the larger social context that inseparably impacts people with disabilities as well as the broader public. First, after addressing common misunderstandings, we examine fear and bias toward disability, and the deadly interaction of assisted suicide and our profit-driven health care system. Second, we review the practice of assisted suicide in Oregon, the first U.S. state to legalize it, and debunk the merits of the so-called Oregon model. By detailing significant problems with Oregon’s supposed safeguards, we raise some of its real dangers, particularly for people with depression and other psychiatric disabilities. Third and finally, we explore the ways that so-called “narrow” assisted suicide proposals can easily expand. This article focuses primarily on conditions in the United States, though much of our discussion also applies in other countries.

In short, we must separate our private wishes for what we each may hope to have available for ourselves some day—a hope that often fails to understand how assisted suicide actually operates—and, rather, focus on the significant dangers of legalizing assisted suicide as public policy in our society today. Assisted suicide would have many unintended consequences.


Disclaimer: I have worked with the author in the past. I can assure you that she is as progressive as any of us.

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That's actually a really good argument. TBF Nov 2013 #1
A hospice can make a great difference LiberalEsto Nov 2013 #2
Not all Hospices are equal though. The one my glinda Nov 2013 #6
Some Are For Profit... grilled onions Nov 2013 #70
And not everybody dies in hospice. My mother is now 3 years out of hospice and sinkingfeeling Nov 2013 #42
It would almost be a blessiing to lose one's mind spinbaby Nov 2013 #55
holy shit: yodermon Nov 2013 #3
Very understandable, and absolutely nothing to be alarmed or shocked about, IMNSHO. idwiyo Nov 2013 #5
As a person who had a mother who died of Alzheimer's, I totally agree with him. Javaman Nov 2013 #9
I know exactly how he feels. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #17
I'm not judging and please feel free to ignore my question if its too personal/painful riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #73
Under state law at the time, it would not have been hard to prove we AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #78
Life is so hard...I hope you've found some peace riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #84
I try not to engage in jingoism, but AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #87
Thank you for posting it. I feel exactly as Mr Adams does. It's torture, pure and simple. idwiyo Nov 2013 #4
A lot of this is because of the way our medical system has evolved. SoCalDem Nov 2013 #7
You forgot about GREED. The longer someone lives, the more money can be made off them. idwiyo Nov 2013 #8
Got that right Doctor_J Nov 2013 #12
Yes, when lifetime caps were reached, suddenly the patient died. truebluegreen Nov 2013 #13
But he seems to blame it all on" the government"?? lunasun Nov 2013 #20
Yep, he's a libertarian creep. geardaddy Nov 2013 #31
Who else should he blame? Me? You? Or arseholes who vote against euthanasia? idwiyo Nov 2013 #59
"devolved" might be a better word. at one time, doctors might actually have cared about "healing". niyad Nov 2013 #37
Torture for profit. Every one of us has or is going to go through this. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #54
I am thankful there is Dignitas and I am close enough to be able to make it there. idwiyo Nov 2013 #57
They got my mother and my little sister. They tortured mom for months while draining her assets. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #58
That's horrific. I am so sorry. I wish there was something I could do. idwiyo Nov 2013 #60
Thank you. It is horrific and most people refuse to even talk about it. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #61
I will talk about it, and I will and do support every effort to make euthansia legal. idwiyo Nov 2013 #63
My father was kept from morphine addiction when he was dying of bone cancer REP Nov 2013 #69
I can't describe how sorry I am. This is beyond horrific, knowing it's not just one person but many idwiyo Nov 2013 #72
Thanks; it was nearly 20 years ago REP Nov 2013 #74
There may have been a misunderstanding. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #79
There was no misunderstanding. REP Nov 2013 #80
That seems absolutely inhumane... AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #81
His hope was fulfilled. FarCenter Nov 2013 #10
My condolences to Scott Adams and to everyone else in the sad situation. spooky3 Nov 2013 #25
Can he just take his dad home and let him die naturally? cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #11
Not really with Alzheimer's Disease Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #22
Some hospitals have "palliative" care - pain relief to ease passing csziggy Nov 2013 #14
We fixed this a few years ago in Washington State. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #15
Alas, churches ARE allowed to support or oppose ballot measures. Just not candidates. KamaAina Nov 2013 #48
True, there is additional sectors of opposition. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #50
I think the Protestant denominations ought not be excluded from opprobrium. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #89
"women are treated differently by society for exactly the same reason that children... ZRT2209 Nov 2013 #16
Yeah, this really has little relevance here Shivering Jemmy Nov 2013 #26
sorry, got that wrong. the man is a misogynistic creep, and his feelings for his father do not niyad Nov 2013 #40
Fair enough, to raise ancillary issues. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #51
Monster? Jesus fucking christ try to grow some god damned empathy could ya CBGLuthier Nov 2013 #88
there is a difference between dumb and hateful. you are free to make whatever assessment you niyad Nov 2013 #90
Sorry, this was taken out of context and misinterpreted by someone who can not read. idwiyo Nov 2013 #62
sorry, I read the whole damned thing, and it was disgusting, no matter how he tried to weasel niyad Nov 2013 #76
Unfortunately there is no cure for willful blindness, and I am not talking about Mr Adams here. idwiyo Nov 2013 #82
you are correct, there is no cure for willful blindness. niyad Nov 2013 #83
While nothing to be proud about, you do get a point for admitting to it publicly. idwiyo Nov 2013 #91
Wait... Did you just publicly thumbsup yourself? Orrex Nov 2013 #93
Dilbert Creator Scott Adams Weighs In On Rape ZRT2209 Nov 2013 #18
I'm glad you pointed this out. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #27
Really? Shivering Jemmy Nov 2013 #36
I don't owe you any explanation for my opinion. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #39
No one owes anyone anything. Shivering Jemmy Nov 2013 #85
Lol, ok! nt Logical Nov 2013 #92
Why bother? AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #52
when my adversary is a misogynistic jerk who denies my humanity, my right to existence, claiims niyad Nov 2013 #71
That is certainly one perspective Shivering Jemmy Nov 2013 #86
On the other hand, it's great at fostering an air of smug, patronizing condescension. Orrex Nov 2013 #94
I am afraid I do not take your meaning. Shivering Jemmy Nov 2013 #95
Your Mileage May Vary Orrex Nov 2013 #96
Both male AND female bashing wow...and this dad tirade is government bashing lunasun Nov 2013 #28
I used to read his blog LittleGirl Nov 2013 #33
Yes he himself now is a cartoon. Possible ODS would be my diagnosis lunasun Nov 2013 #44
tweeting and raping are on the same level??? wow. . .just. . .wow. won't say what I think should niyad Nov 2013 #41
Another taken out of content quote. Have you actually bothered to read what he wrote? idwiyo Nov 2013 #65
Mr. Adams sounds like a nutcase Skittles Nov 2013 #77
How We Die: Reflections of Life's Final Chapter kydo Nov 2013 #19
hot damn... i love it ProdigalJunkMail Nov 2013 #21
But Scott, those are the politicians *you* vote for. knightmaar Nov 2013 #23
Guessing no = He just can blame "the gubermint " now even if it is one he voted in!!! lunasun Nov 2013 #30
^this geardaddy Nov 2013 #32
Yes, his complaint should be with the RW politicians who only care about the unborn fetus and then Fla Dem Nov 2013 #43
My Father kchamberlin25 Nov 2013 #24
welcome to DU renate Nov 2013 #45
There is money to be made in long, lingering deaths meadowlark5 Nov 2013 #29
I have been deeply affected and had my eyes opened by "How Doctors Die" Sheepshank Nov 2013 #34
This is very close to home. peace13 Nov 2013 #35
I agree, but there would have to be some controls. redstatebluegirl Nov 2013 #38
... how horrible renate Nov 2013 #46
People in town still think she is perfect and such a "sweet person" redstatebluegirl Nov 2013 #47
I sat in the hospital and watched my father die, very slowly, from AML. apnu Nov 2013 #49
My (and many others, I'm sure) condolences to you and yours. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #66
If he doesn't have his mental faculties anymore, then SOMEONE has medical power of attorney kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #53
There's a lot of conditions where the person can still linger and linger and linger jeff47 Nov 2013 #68
this is WHY we need death panels + we need to LET GO. pansypoo53219 Nov 2013 #56
my mother is 84 and wonders all the time why she is still here. n/t. okieinpain Nov 2013 #64
I'm angry too Holly_Hobby Nov 2013 #67
Scott Adams is a capitaliist misogynist tool but even a tool is right sometimes. hunter Nov 2013 #75
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