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117. If Zimmerman got away with murder then blame our legal system and the prosecution ...

Tue Nov 26, 2013, 07:13 PM

Nov 2013

in the case.

Under our system it is necessary for the prosecution to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. Obviously I was not on the jury so I didn't hear all the evidence, but I followed the trail and predicted the verdict.

I personally feel that it is quite possible that Zimmerman approached Martin and flashed his concealed weapon in order to intimidate him. (Which is totally illegal in Florida.) If this happened, Martin might have been within his rights to attempt to disarm Zimmerman and it could be argued that Martin was standing his ground.

The problem is that the evidence to support this idea was not there. We also ended up with only one side of the story as "dead men tell no tales." Had Trayvon Martin survived to testify, Zimmerman might be in prison today.

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Here Are All the Weapons Police Found in George Zimmerman’s Florida Residence [View all] CatWoman Nov 2013 OP

Yep...he's no threat. A HERETIC I AM Nov 2013 #1

Fuckin' wannabe tough guy... Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #2

No shit Phlem Nov 2013 #39

Maybe it was exploding gum VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #3

Maxwell Smart had exploding gum....I'm sure of it. Lochloosa Nov 2013 #32

I hate zimmy Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #4

it is considering he has already murdered someone Skittles Nov 2013 #6

I really detest him being called a "ticking time bomb" Skittles Nov 2013 #5

I am with you on that one. mstinamotorcity2 Nov 2013 #8

Indeed, that time bomb has TICKED! arcane1 Nov 2013 #17

Killing black people doesn't count Scootaloo Nov 2013 #28

+1 lunasun Nov 2013 #127

More like a cuckoo clock Stargazer09 Nov 2013 #35

that is a great analogy Skittles Nov 2013 #40

+1 a whole bunch.......nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #46

+1 gollygee Nov 2013 #58

Bingo. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #82

FUCKING COWARD PIECE OF SHIT LOSER JI7 Nov 2013 #7

you are correct. Whisp Nov 2013 #33

The religious pendant exonerates him Quixote1818 Nov 2013 #9

St. Testes medal riverwalker Nov 2013 #25

St. Testes!?!?! Stargazer09 Nov 2013 #36

DUzy!!!! Initech Nov 2013 #44

And the sanitizing wipes wash away the bad. HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #48

Let me fix this up a little bit: NuclearDem Nov 2013 #10

So they didn't find the storage locker with the rest of his weapons? TroglodyteScholar Nov 2013 #11

indeed. The lying scheming piece of shit has the rest of his arsenal elsewhere. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #13

His father's and brother's homes, I'd guess. n/t intheflow Nov 2013 #22

it makes them feel "tough and manly" and shit JI7 Nov 2013 #12

Do you really think that of everyone with a shotgun, rifle and 3 handguns? aikoaiko Nov 2013 #54

I certainly do. EOTE Nov 2013 #57

Different firearms are better in different situations and some people have collections. aikoaiko Nov 2013 #59

Exactly how many guns is considered an 'arsenal'? Jenoch Nov 2013 #71

Again, I think there is an inverse correlation between number of guns owned and IQ. EOTE Nov 2013 #72

What about owning guns as a collection? Jenoch Nov 2013 #77

I suppose properly secured collections are alright. EOTE Nov 2013 #78

My guns are locked up. My father's guns are locked up. Jenoch Nov 2013 #85

No it's not, it's from my own personal experience. EOTE Nov 2013 #86

Exactly how many gun owners, Jenoch Nov 2013 #87

Dozens for sure. EOTE Nov 2013 #88

You are full of stereotypes. Jenoch Nov 2013 #89

No, actually these are not stereotypes. EOTE Nov 2013 #90

fucking "A" CatWoman Nov 2013 #92

The stereotype comment was about Jenoch Nov 2013 #94

That was a conclusion that I've come to. EOTE Nov 2013 #96

The 'more' guns there are? Jenoch Nov 2013 #111

Would you like me to post them? EOTE Nov 2013 #112

My 82 year old father bought his first Jenoch Nov 2013 #118

So that's a big, resounding no. EOTE Nov 2013 #138

Are you intentionally being obtuse? Jenoch Nov 2013 #145

Investors collect firearms because if you know what you are doing investing in firearms ... spin Nov 2013 #115

I know someone who is quite intelligent who works for a firearm manufacturer. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #116

I suspect most people who insult gun owners as being unintelligent ... spin Nov 2013 #122

Zimmerman's "collection" seems to validly fit well within many of the contemporary definitions of 'a LanternWaste Nov 2013 #84

Obviously you have little understanding of the shooting sports. .... spin Nov 2013 #106

i'm referring to Zimmerman and all the racist piece of shit fucks who defend him JI7 Nov 2013 #136

That's actually not that many. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #14

Yea I'm not impressed by those numbers either aznativ Nov 2013 #21

I think there is a very good chance he'll pick up another gun while on bail and do time. aikoaiko Nov 2013 #15

He's pretty stupid madokie Nov 2013 #16

He must have a small... HipChick Nov 2013 #18

WTF malaise Nov 2013 #19

That's sounds fairly typical of a high percentage of homes in Florida. ... spin Nov 2013 #20

There's a minor problem with your argument jeff47 Nov 2013 #62

The problem with your counterargument is that Zimmerman is not representative ... spin Nov 2013 #98

If he's not representative, then why are you arguing that he is? jeff47 Nov 2013 #100

The fact that Zimmerman had five firearms is not a red flag in Florida. ... spin Nov 2013 #109

That's a "large cache" of weapons and ammo? flvegan Nov 2013 #23

dont forget the gum Duckhunter935 Nov 2013 #27

Shit, I'm a vegan and I'd have more than he does flvegan Nov 2013 #30

I was AFRAID to post that I had rifles in addition to the shotgun and handguns... cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #42

What of your sanitizing wipes, freeper? flvegan Nov 2013 #43

I thought... cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #60

Uh, Zimmerman got away with what he did Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #75

If Zimmerman got away with murder then blame our legal system and the prosecution ... spin Nov 2013 #117

Was it sugar free gum? penultimate Nov 2013 #24

Oh, hell no... bobclark86 Nov 2013 #66

From the beginning of his notoriety I thought Zimmerman would turn out to be... DreamGypsy Nov 2013 #26

I wish I'd said that. nt rrneck Nov 2013 #64

I bet the shotgun was the one given to Zimmy after the trial by the gun manufacturer. Hoyt Nov 2013 #29

Holy shit! THat fucking gundamentalist is a ticking time bomb gopiscrap Nov 2013 #31

I'd say the fuckface who wrote the law... bobclark86 Nov 2013 #68

Do know for sure that what you described is the actual truth of what happened that night? ... spin Nov 2013 #119

So you fantasize about being on Zimmerman's jury and finding him not guilty? DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #135

Not at all. ... spin Nov 2013 #148

yup gopiscrap Nov 2013 #126

Looks to me... ReRe Nov 2013 #34

Not really. Those generally use handguns and a lot of ammo Recursion Nov 2013 #37

Really... ReRe Nov 2013 #38

I guess my point is that for someone who owns guns that's a very "normal" collection Recursion Nov 2013 #41

If you think that that's a large collection of firearms and ammo then I would agree with what ... spin Nov 2013 #45

pffft my bro-in-law and nephews can go through hundreds of rounds in a weekend The Straight Story Nov 2013 #52

Difference is you and yours have expressed a fondness for target shooting jeff47 Nov 2013 #63

I don't know the motivations The Straight Story Nov 2013 #67

If that's your goal, embracing Zimmerman is probably not a good plan. jeff47 Nov 2013 #70

Just because an individual is not opposed to firearm ownership does not mean that ... spin Nov 2013 #114

It only takes a "tiny fraction of people" with arms designed for combat to cause massive mayhem. rdharma Nov 2013 #113

That's a lot of guns..... Captain Stern Nov 2013 #47

Zimmerman might have bought these weapons prior to the Trayvon Martin incident. (n/t) spin Nov 2013 #123

Yes, he might have. That means he's had plenty of time to sell them too. right? (nt) Captain Stern Nov 2013 #128

Zimmerman's life had been threatened. ... spin Nov 2013 #131

The Hero of Gunner Shitheads Everywhere alcibiades_mystery Nov 2013 #49

not getting why they say this is a large cache of weapons, seems some sort of disconnect loli phabay Nov 2013 #50

My ex used to ask me why I needed more than two handguns ... spin Nov 2013 #124

yup, i have different guns for different things ie hunting deer, hunting varmints, loli phabay Nov 2013 #137

Shoot, I have an "arsenal" just for deer. sir pball Nov 2013 #139

The new GD "guns exception:" Umpteenth PR story on Zimmy. Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #51

You notice that too? n/t bobclark86 Nov 2013 #73

The Jon Benet Ramsey syndrome: Good MSM fallback when things get slow. Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #103

I get it; Zimmerman has always been Jesus on the Cross to the gunners Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #110

Your strange brew of religious metaphor and gun stereotypes... Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #143

Is Zimmerman a taboo subject or something? Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #76

Nah, just boring. I got the idea he is hated 500 postings ago Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #102

You seem to be implying that the hate directed towards him is undeserved? Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #107

Your implication. So DU has devolved into a hating contest? Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #142

You can HIDE all the zimmerman threads nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #121

Cheers to the breasies that blows through the treesies... Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #140

Go for it nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #141

Ha! This is when political ideology looks sexy. Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #144

That comment makes like zero sense nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #147

Funny. Your buddies seem to like it. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #146

Now that you mention it, a hundred rounds IS diddly... Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #149

106 rounds? He was almost out. Skeeter Barnes Nov 2013 #53

That's just a "small" arsenal for a gun hugger. So, please ........... rdharma Nov 2013 #55

+1 Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #79

*snarf* CatWoman Nov 2013 #93

Just kidddin'! rdharma Nov 2013 #97

.... CatWoman Nov 2013 #104

SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!!!!!! Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #56

5 firearms and two mags... ileus Nov 2013 #61

Nah, bobclark86 Nov 2013 #69

But he DID HAVE a proper OWB holster... rdharma Nov 2013 #74

Leather or Kydex... ileus Nov 2013 #80

Yes! nt rdharma Nov 2013 #81

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #65

Seeing that Americans are the most heavily armed nation on earth... LanternWaste Nov 2013 #83

GZ walks and chews gum at same time Blue Owl Nov 2013 #91

and kills unarmed teenagers for shits and giggles CatWoman Nov 2013 #95

While wearing a GPS tracking bracelet! rdharma Nov 2013 #99

Zimmerman is really a sick person Gothmog Nov 2013 #101

THIS GUY LOVES THAT LIST! Rex Nov 2013 #105

The only positive thing I can say about this photo ... spin Nov 2013 #120

Why would a home invader want to break into this guy's home? rdharma Nov 2013 #129

People who break into occupied homes in a nation with 300 million firearms in civilian hands ... spin Nov 2013 #132

Would home invaders want this guy for a bikini wax proving ground? rdharma Nov 2013 #133

Ouch! (n/t) spin Nov 2013 #134

I do not care how many guns someone has, provided they are responsible for and with them. Zimmy was uppityperson Nov 2013 #108

That's fair. (n/t) spin Nov 2013 #125

Almost all gun owners I know have that many or more IDemo Nov 2013 #130