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Major Nikon

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102. I think your analysis of the English language is not up to scratch on this occasion
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 10:45 AM
Nov 2013

Last edited Wed Nov 27, 2013, 11:20 AM - Edit history (1)

Agnostics do have an opinion on on whether a god or universal spirit exists. Some have very strong opinions on the subject. The mere act of identifying as an agnostic means you may have an opinion on the subject. Qualifying this with an agnostic who has an opinion narrows that down. No definition of agnosticism I have ever seen suggests all agnostics "do(es) not have an opinion on whether a god or universal spirit exists". Indifference to the existence of god is apatheism or to a lesser degree pragmatic agnosticism which is a subset of agnosticism. I am well aware of what all these things mean. I asked you specifically how would an agnostic who had an opinion would answer this question. I did not ask you how an apatheist would answer this question. I am being precise with the English language. Damn precise even. So being disengenuous or subliteracy explains your logical disconnect. Neither of which is my problem.

Furthermore you never even attempted to deal with the question that if your version of literacy were correct, why does the data set suggest that positive atheists outnumber agnostics by 7 to 1 when other data sets suggest the reverse relationship?

Just sayin'

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How would an agnostic answer this lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #1
Shrug. . . Journeyman Nov 2013 #11
I don't know. LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #27
How would an ignostic answer this? defacto7 Nov 2013 #43
That's why I have no use for gallup Major Nikon Nov 2013 #46
The question did have a 'no opinion' option muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #74
No opinion is not the same thing Major Nikon Nov 2013 #81
'no opinion' is the same thing as 'don't know'; 'unequivocal' is quite different muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #83
You are being disingenuous with what I said Major Nikon Nov 2013 #90
'no opinion' (nt) muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #91
I just told you they did have an opinion Major Nikon Nov 2013 #94
An agnostic does not have an opinion on whether a god or universal spirit exists muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #98
I think your analysis of the English language is not up to scratch on this occasion Major Nikon Nov 2013 #102
Thank-you, exactly my point lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #86
To me, Gallup is a synonym for Religion-Lobbying. nt valerief Nov 2013 #137
That's the same as asking... gcomeau Nov 2013 #60
There is no choice for none of the above lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #87
Becase "none of the above"... gcomeau Nov 2013 #95
There are some questions that are not simply yes or no, that is why this poll is bull lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #105
True. gcomeau Nov 2013 #107
The poll, like religious people and even some rabid atheists is black and white MillennialDem Nov 2013 #114
Sigh... gcomeau Nov 2013 #115
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #122
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #121
It's a false dichotomy whether you choose to acknowledge it or not Major Nikon Nov 2013 #125
No, it isn't. gcomeau Nov 2013 #126
I've already told you how to answer your own question Major Nikon Nov 2013 #128
No you haven't gcomeau Nov 2013 #154
Have it your way Major Nikon Nov 2013 #155
Try again. gcomeau Nov 2013 #157
Why don't you answer your own question Major Nikon Nov 2013 #159
I did. gcomeau Nov 2013 #166
Reality. n/t Chan790 Nov 2013 #150
Seriously doubt that! Coyotl Nov 2013 #2
I didn't take the poll. Skip Intro Nov 2013 #4
Christian bias is a polling problem. Coyotl Nov 2013 #17
A 92% problem? n/t Skip Intro Nov 2013 #20
28% of Protestants, 33% of Catholics, and 23% of those who attend weekly religious services DO NOT Coyotl Nov 2013 #31
Those are Canadians; when the OP talks about 'Democrats', we can take it as meaning Americans muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #77
The party needs to welcome believers and non-believers. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #3
Thanks you! defacto7 Nov 2013 #6
I agree. n/t Skip Intro Nov 2013 #12
Do you think the party doesn't? They bend so far back as to have their heads up their collective 2banon Nov 2013 #18
God bless America!!! CAG Nov 2013 #22
lame 2banon Nov 2013 #24
funny, I had the same reaction reading your little tantrum CAG Nov 2013 #29
take your snarky comments somewhere else. I wasn't talking to you in the first place. 2banon Nov 2013 #34
There's that Christian love we hear so much about. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #93
+1 Go Vols Nov 2013 #124
+10000!! nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #127
The reality is they do what they have to, to get votes. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #25
That's exactly what makes me sick. 2banon Nov 2013 #36
I tend to think it is less than 90% but at least 75%. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #38
I guess it's more of a regional thing 2banon Nov 2013 #45
Church attendance is in decline in this nation amoung Chritians for so many reasons. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #50
I live in Western Washington State, the most liberal part of the state. There are still liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #52
But is anyone ever AT them? Or are they historical relics? maxsolomon Nov 2013 #111
This message was self-deleted by its author 2banon Nov 2013 #117
I didn't know Jefferson said that, but there's a whole lot of truth in 'them words' 2banon Nov 2013 #118
If you haven't checked out the Jefferson Bible, you really should maxsolomon Nov 2013 #123
Jefferson suffered for it too Major Nikon Nov 2013 #133
no doubt n/t 2banon Nov 2013 #147
Well said!!! Religion is all about manipulative propaganda and politics, but many RKP5637 Nov 2013 #85
90% ARE believers, so we can just welcome each other, I guess (and others) :) grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #62
*shrug* geomon666 Nov 2013 #5
Yeah. Evidently 92% in this case. n/t Skip Intro Nov 2013 #10
As a poster mentioned above, the party should welcome both believers and non-believers Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #146
Look. Gallup is full of shit, as are the others. Proof: NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #7
All polls are full of shit unless they show what you want them to show? Skip Intro Nov 2013 #8
Yes, most of the time. I find most people are this way. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #13
I don't like to see polls that report what I don't want to see. Skip Intro Nov 2013 #19
Polls like that are decidedly WRONG! NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #26
Nobody called me for my vote 2banon Nov 2013 #9
Compared to....?? defacto7 Nov 2013 #14
That's super. nt nyquil_man Nov 2013 #15
Sad, we have these big wonderful brains and so many insist on filling them with religious bullshit. bowens43 Nov 2013 #16
Metaphysics is by definition not real. Rather easy to understand, one should expect. Coyotl Nov 2013 #21
"Metaphysics is by definition not real." ??? meaculpa2011 Nov 2013 #76
I believe because I feel in my heart God exists. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #28
I left this thread a while ago but just now returned defacto7 Nov 2013 #65
oh jesus y. christ snooper2 Nov 2013 #97
You know what I think it is? Most humans wants to feel that they're special, unique and immortal. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #37
Religious and spiritual beliefs aren't always so simplistic nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #61
Well, some of them were sheep herders. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #109
Having been raised Catholic, gone to Catholic schol, I'm certainly not a huge fan of nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #131
People should be reminded that's where it comes from Major Nikon Nov 2013 #141
Fair enough. And frankly, I do find religion in general kind of stupid. Fundamentalism doubly so. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #144
Yesssss! SammyWinstonJack Nov 2013 #88
Exactly. But this is BULLSHIT. People just don't answer this honestly in phone interviews. More and RBInMaine Nov 2013 #138
Thanks for the thread! I'm always so worried that the DU non-believers are sitting at home bored, CAG Nov 2013 #23
Oh, I just idly wondered "So what?" djean111 Nov 2013 #32
It's easy to lose perspective about mainstream Dems, pnwmom Nov 2013 #39
I was not insulting people of faith at all - and, honestly, seriously, djean111 Nov 2013 #53
I wasn't referring to you. I was just pointing out why it matters. pnwmom Nov 2013 #57
It's ironic to me... defacto7 Nov 2013 #55
Oh, I think when one replies to a comment that jeers about atheists being bored and twiddling djean111 Nov 2013 #108
Given the fact that the very existence of atheists is a gratuitous insult... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #129
In the Bible, Jesus tells his followers that they will be mocked and persecuted for believing and he Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #99
I imagine you sit at home waiting to tell us how wonderful God is. And how he changed your life! n-t Logical Nov 2013 #153
What on earth is a universal spirit? Kurska Nov 2013 #30
I believe in defacto7 Nov 2013 #67
I'm one of the 8%, but I find myself defending the Pope against semi-literate Canadians DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #33
That makes some logical sense... defacto7 Nov 2013 #41
To me it's the delta, the radical shift in such a short amount of time. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #44
... SidDithers Nov 2013 #79
You're defending the Pope against Canadians? Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #119
This made me literally laugh out loud. perfect placement for that meme! nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #130
YAY I am finally a 1% or 10% or however much.. Tikki Nov 2013 #35
This poll says 98%of Republicans believe in God. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #40
They believe in Republican Jesus CAG Nov 2013 #47
Yeah their Jesus hates poor people and hangs out with the wall street crowd. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #51
"Man is the only animal to have discovered The One True God....several of them." Mark Twain Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #42
+1 hobbit709 Nov 2013 #68
"Excerpt From Captain Stormfield's Visit to Heaven" IDemo Nov 2013 #96
And how many answer that because of pressure to do so? Scootaloo Nov 2013 #48
Far fewer than you might guess quaker bill Nov 2013 #75
Especially the Songs of Solomen :) (nt) LostOne4Ever Nov 2013 #113
Societal pressure bhikkhu Nov 2013 #49
nah quaker bill Nov 2013 #78
Another aspect of that is, it doesn't take any thought to "believe in god" bhikkhu Nov 2013 #142
NPR had a show on Sunday that said athiest/agnostic was at 20% now peacebird Nov 2013 #54
The exception? DU. demosincebirth Nov 2013 #56
'universal spirit' could include every belief spanone Nov 2013 #58
What's a "universal spirit?" Deep13 Nov 2013 #59
It's something required in 12-step addiction recovery programs HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #80
So, God then. Deep13 Nov 2013 #112
Well, an emotional crutch or a cane...something to give confidence HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #139
Or just a sense of humility Nevernose Nov 2013 #148
Yes, maybe, I certainly can't say what was meant... HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #152
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #63
Welcome to DU defacto7 Nov 2013 #66
I'm confused. Do all those people believe in the SAME "God"? If not, the wording should be Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #64
the only god I believe in is Murphy hobbit709 Nov 2013 #69
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #70
And 98% of Republicans believe in God Fumesucker Nov 2013 #71
The God I believe in is so awesome, he doesn't NEED to exist. He's more awesomer because he DOESN'T. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #72
How many believe in ... GeorgeGist Nov 2013 #73
.... hmmm, does that equate to belief in extraterrestrial intelligence? ... or just the RKP5637 Nov 2013 #82
Man, ya had to know THIS was going to piss some people off... cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #84
We already have quite a few Republicans posing as Dems as it is Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #120
I hope you don't lose any sleep... cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #143
There's a song that they sing when they take to the highway, DefenseLawyer Nov 2013 #89
I guess belief in God, broadly defined,doesn't bother me. Vattel Nov 2013 #92
Me too, because deep down we all know that there is no god other than Thor. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #110
Good point. Vattel Nov 2013 #116
Not that surprising considering that school has turned TBF Nov 2013 #100
It is impossible to know the minds of others, what they claim to 'believe' is of zero importance. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #101
Can this help reduce bullying? get the red out Nov 2013 #103
Interesting that a smaller % of Independents and Liberals believe in God than do Democrats! FarCenter Nov 2013 #104
My God is donuts. And I believe in them with all of my heart. cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #106
so what smackd Nov 2013 #132
And 88% of them do so while watching porn with "violent" acts, like consensual oral sex. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #134
MANY more DO NOT BELIEVE in these MYTHOLOGIES but won't admit it in phone interviews. It is on the RBInMaine Nov 2013 #135
Except in 2013 when they don't. valerief Nov 2013 #136
Well, the Bible club at my kids Middle School with over 1,000 kids has only 3 kids Quixote1818 Nov 2013 #140
Which God? AnnieBW Nov 2013 #145
i doubt people are completely honest when they answer questions like this. nt Sheri Nov 2013 #149
Magic isn't real. 99Forever Nov 2013 #151
We are all atheists RedCappedBandit Nov 2013 #156
Or in the case of Christianity, 3 gods farther Major Nikon Nov 2013 #160
No. Not true. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #161
Perhaps Major Nikon Nov 2013 #162
All Churches that believe in the Trinity say that it is One God in Three Divine Persons. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #163
At best most rather than "all" Major Nikon Nov 2013 #164
Ok point taken about my saying all, but most think it is how I explained it. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #165
One has to wonder why Major Nikon Dec 2013 #167
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