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(10,960 posts) Wed Nov 27, 2013, 11:19 AM Nov 2013

Being open on Thanksgiving is not a crime against Labor [View all]

Low wages.
No benefits.
Forced to work "off the clock."
Cheating on overtime.
Denial of leave/absence for genuine emergencies.
Hazardous conditions.
Being scheduled 11-2 and then 5-8 for a nine hour workday with only six hours paid

These things are legitimate abuses of labor.

A store being open on a given holiday is not an abuse of labor.

It is amazing that in a nation with WALL-TO-FUCKING-WALL legitimate and profound problems for retail workers somebody, somewhere, managed to make the very real problems of retail workers seem trivial with this whole, "who is open on Thanks-fucking-giving?" trivia-fest.

I dare say that having Thanksgiving off (whether you want it off or not) is not what the revolution will be about.

On the other hand, if workers are denied time-and-a-half for working on Thanksgiving then that is serious.

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Being open on Thanksgiving is not a crime against Labor [View all] cthulu2016 Nov 2013 OP

Being forced to work on Thanksgiving is un-American meow2u3 Nov 2013 #1

bull DrDan Nov 2013 #19

Let me clear this up meow2u3 Nov 2013 #21

thank you - that I agree with. DrDan Nov 2013 #22

Ah, but those people working for our entertainment need to go out and buy things, too. randome Nov 2013 #23

So let me get this straight NobodyHere Nov 2013 #40

I worked in a gas station on Thanksgiving and Christmas, eve and day. xmas74 Nov 2013 #25

I am a veteran - never once have I had Veteran's Day off as a holiday DrDan Nov 2013 #26

Unfortunately, that's how it goes. xmas74 Nov 2013 #34

I was in an "unaccompanied" status for large parts of my career, far from home and family. MADem Nov 2013 #38

maybe YankeyMCC Nov 2013 #2

There are jobs that are legitimately SheilaT Nov 2013 #3

^^^^^^^THIS! hedgehog Nov 2013 #42

i think all of it is a problem for labor. some are economic problems and others are work-family La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #4

I never liked working on Thanksgiving. Screw the time-and-a-half. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #5

What time-and-a-half? Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #12

The NFL should be up in arms... Whiskeytide Nov 2013 #6

And the NFL has players as well - TBF Nov 2013 #13

Very good points but the "open on Thanksgiving" brings attention to the other issues Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #7

It's to remind us that greed has no limits of decency. Cleita Nov 2013 #8

Being forced to work on Thanksgiving sucks. I've been there. ryan_cats Nov 2013 #9

"a crime against labor?" Maybe not, but it sucks and is another insult to labor. nt Lex Nov 2013 #10

Why aren't people outraged that nurses work on holidays? leftstreet Nov 2013 #11

Gee, I wonder why that is. Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #16

Haha, I know, right? Lex Nov 2013 #28

So it's not really about family, it's about $$? leftstreet Nov 2013 #29

A lot of people are...... ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #32

Where is the outrage over paramedics working Thxgiving? leftstreet Nov 2013 #35

You're right. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #36

Maybe, just maybe, people aren't outraged SheilaT Nov 2013 #45

When I worked as a nurse .... etherealtruth Nov 2013 #18

+1000 n/t Cleita Nov 2013 #37

It's a public relations problem for those stores now, though. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #53

Not a crime--- it is an exploitation of labor etherealtruth Nov 2013 #14

I actually agree - TBF Nov 2013 #15

Stores should be closed on holidays. Period. Blaukraut Nov 2013 #17

There are plenty of people who don't celebrate Thanksgiving and other holidays. randome Nov 2013 #20

What's wrong with sitting at home and watching TV, or going for a walk? Blaukraut Nov 2013 #27

There are plenty of people who have no family, and no desire to travel kcr Nov 2013 #41

No one said anything about being forced to work more than 40 hours a week. randome Nov 2013 #43

But that's my point. The fact that not everyone cares about Thanksgiving doesn't matter. kcr Nov 2013 #44

"holidays" are only different because some people choose to make them so, not everyone nt msongs Nov 2013 #24

Anti-worker thread #125 ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #30

What about the "choice" of workers BainsBane Nov 2013 #47

Do you always stalk people? ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #50

There are a few restaurants that are always open on Thanksgiving... TeeYiYi Nov 2013 #31

I don't know where this Thanksgiving fundamentalism came from Dreamer Tatum Nov 2013 #33

What if they are forced to work to make their employers money? Cleita Nov 2013 #48

What if they get overtime and love it? Dreamer Tatum Nov 2013 #49

Thanksgiving used to be an option. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #51

No it isn't "mandatory" Dreamer Tatum Nov 2013 #55

What? ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #56

Is it mandatory for everyone? No. Dreamer Tatum Nov 2013 #57

I'm talking about retail. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #58

You can't be serious. Kingofalldems Nov 2013 #60

It is exploitation. It is no better than any of the other things you list. kcr Nov 2013 #39

It May Not Be A "Crime" Against Labor, jayfish Nov 2013 #46

Good point and elleng Nov 2013 #52

In a year when corporations are posting record profits, it does seem like an extra jab in the ass. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #54

With respect to tradition and nilesobek Nov 2013 #59