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djean111

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108. Oh, I think when one replies to a comment that jeers about atheists being bored and twiddling

Wed Nov 27, 2013, 12:25 PM

Nov 2013

their thumbs, and then read that atheists should not make disparaging remarks about theists - expecting logic is kind of pointless.
And as a non-believer, I cannot even imagine what a believer's "arguments" would consist of, at this point.
They have no proof, just belief. Not logical to believe something just because a lot of other people believe it, without concrete proof.
Those arguments are better known as proselytizing or preaching. No matter how well-meant - pointless. And have the opposite effect when, for instance, I am told I cannot possibly be moral or know right from wrong unless instructed to by religion. Right.

I confess I don't care if other dems are believers or not - except, I guess, if catering to their belief is necessary to get out their vote. Just keep religious beliefs out of the legal process. Yeah, dream on, djean!

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As of 2011, 90% of Democrats believe in God (or a Higher Spirit): Gallup. [View all] Skip Intro Nov 2013 OP

How would an agnostic answer this lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #1

Shrug. . . Journeyman Nov 2013 #11

I don't know. LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #27

How would an ignostic answer this? defacto7 Nov 2013 #43

That's why I have no use for gallup Major Nikon Nov 2013 #46

The question did have a 'no opinion' option muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #74

No opinion is not the same thing Major Nikon Nov 2013 #81

'no opinion' is the same thing as 'don't know'; 'unequivocal' is quite different muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #83

You are being disingenuous with what I said Major Nikon Nov 2013 #90

'no opinion' (nt) muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #91

I just told you they did have an opinion Major Nikon Nov 2013 #94

An agnostic does not have an opinion on whether a god or universal spirit exists muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #98

I think your analysis of the English language is not up to scratch on this occasion Major Nikon Nov 2013 #102

Thank-you, exactly my point lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #86

To me, Gallup is a synonym for Religion-Lobbying. nt valerief Nov 2013 #137

That's the same as asking... gcomeau Nov 2013 #60

There is no choice for none of the above lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #87

Becase "none of the above"... gcomeau Nov 2013 #95

There are some questions that are not simply yes or no, that is why this poll is bull lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #105

True. gcomeau Nov 2013 #107

The poll, like religious people and even some rabid atheists is black and white MillennialDem Nov 2013 #114

Sigh... gcomeau Nov 2013 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #121

It's a false dichotomy whether you choose to acknowledge it or not Major Nikon Nov 2013 #125

No, it isn't. gcomeau Nov 2013 #126

I've already told you how to answer your own question Major Nikon Nov 2013 #128

No you haven't gcomeau Nov 2013 #154

Have it your way Major Nikon Nov 2013 #155

Try again. gcomeau Nov 2013 #157

Why don't you answer your own question Major Nikon Nov 2013 #159

I did. gcomeau Nov 2013 #166

Reality. n/t Chan790 Nov 2013 #150

Seriously doubt that! Coyotl Nov 2013 #2

I didn't take the poll. Skip Intro Nov 2013 #4

Christian bias is a polling problem. Coyotl Nov 2013 #17

A 92% problem? n/t Skip Intro Nov 2013 #20

28% of Protestants, 33% of Catholics, and 23% of those who attend weekly religious services DO NOT Coyotl Nov 2013 #31

Those are Canadians; when the OP talks about 'Democrats', we can take it as meaning Americans muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #77

The party needs to welcome believers and non-believers. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #3

Thanks you! defacto7 Nov 2013 #6

I agree. n/t Skip Intro Nov 2013 #12

Do you think the party doesn't? They bend so far back as to have their heads up their collective 2banon Nov 2013 #18

God bless America!!! CAG Nov 2013 #22

lame 2banon Nov 2013 #24

funny, I had the same reaction reading your little tantrum CAG Nov 2013 #29

take your snarky comments somewhere else. I wasn't talking to you in the first place. 2banon Nov 2013 #34

There's that Christian love we hear so much about. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #93

+1 Go Vols Nov 2013 #124

+10000!! nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #127

The reality is they do what they have to, to get votes. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #25

That's exactly what makes me sick. 2banon Nov 2013 #36

I tend to think it is less than 90% but at least 75%. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #38

I guess it's more of a regional thing 2banon Nov 2013 #45

Church attendance is in decline in this nation amoung Chritians for so many reasons. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #50

I live in Western Washington State, the most liberal part of the state. There are still liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #52

But is anyone ever AT them? Or are they historical relics? maxsolomon Nov 2013 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author 2banon Nov 2013 #117

I didn't know Jefferson said that, but there's a whole lot of truth in 'them words' 2banon Nov 2013 #118

If you haven't checked out the Jefferson Bible, you really should maxsolomon Nov 2013 #123

Jefferson suffered for it too Major Nikon Nov 2013 #133

no doubt n/t 2banon Nov 2013 #147

Well said!!! Religion is all about manipulative propaganda and politics, but many RKP5637 Nov 2013 #85

90% ARE believers, so we can just welcome each other, I guess (and others) :) grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #62

*shrug* geomon666 Nov 2013 #5

Yeah. Evidently 92% in this case. n/t Skip Intro Nov 2013 #10

As a poster mentioned above, the party should welcome both believers and non-believers Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #146

Look. Gallup is full of shit, as are the others. Proof: NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #7

All polls are full of shit unless they show what you want them to show? Skip Intro Nov 2013 #8

Yes, most of the time. I find most people are this way. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #13

I don't like to see polls that report what I don't want to see. Skip Intro Nov 2013 #19

Polls like that are decidedly WRONG! NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #26

Nobody called me for my vote 2banon Nov 2013 #9

Compared to....?? defacto7 Nov 2013 #14

That's super. nt nyquil_man Nov 2013 #15

Sad, we have these big wonderful brains and so many insist on filling them with religious bullshit. bowens43 Nov 2013 #16

Metaphysics is by definition not real. Rather easy to understand, one should expect. Coyotl Nov 2013 #21

"Metaphysics is by definition not real." ??? meaculpa2011 Nov 2013 #76

I believe because I feel in my heart God exists. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #28

I left this thread a while ago but just now returned defacto7 Nov 2013 #65

oh jesus y. christ snooper2 Nov 2013 #97

You know what I think it is? Most humans wants to feel that they're special, unique and immortal. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #37

Religious and spiritual beliefs aren't always so simplistic nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #61

Well, some of them were sheep herders. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #109

Having been raised Catholic, gone to Catholic schol, I'm certainly not a huge fan of nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #131

People should be reminded that's where it comes from Major Nikon Nov 2013 #141

Fair enough. And frankly, I do find religion in general kind of stupid. Fundamentalism doubly so. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #144

Yesssss! SammyWinstonJack Nov 2013 #88

Exactly. But this is BULLSHIT. People just don't answer this honestly in phone interviews. More and RBInMaine Nov 2013 #138

Thanks for the thread! I'm always so worried that the DU non-believers are sitting at home bored, CAG Nov 2013 #23

Oh, I just idly wondered "So what?" djean111 Nov 2013 #32

It's easy to lose perspective about mainstream Dems, pnwmom Nov 2013 #39

I was not insulting people of faith at all - and, honestly, seriously, djean111 Nov 2013 #53

I wasn't referring to you. I was just pointing out why it matters. pnwmom Nov 2013 #57

It's ironic to me... defacto7 Nov 2013 #55

Oh, I think when one replies to a comment that jeers about atheists being bored and twiddling djean111 Nov 2013 #108

Given the fact that the very existence of atheists is a gratuitous insult... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #129

In the Bible, Jesus tells his followers that they will be mocked and persecuted for believing and he Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #99

I imagine you sit at home waiting to tell us how wonderful God is. And how he changed your life! n-t Logical Nov 2013 #153

What on earth is a universal spirit? Kurska Nov 2013 #30

I believe in defacto7 Nov 2013 #67

I'm one of the 8%, but I find myself defending the Pope against semi-literate Canadians DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #33

That makes some logical sense... defacto7 Nov 2013 #41

To me it's the delta, the radical shift in such a short amount of time. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #44

... SidDithers Nov 2013 #79

You're defending the Pope against Canadians? Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #119

This made me literally laugh out loud. perfect placement for that meme! nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #130

YAY I am finally a 1% or 10% or however much.. Tikki Nov 2013 #35

This poll says 98%of Republicans believe in God. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #40

They believe in Republican Jesus CAG Nov 2013 #47

Yeah their Jesus hates poor people and hangs out with the wall street crowd. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #51

"Man is the only animal to have discovered The One True God....several of them." Mark Twain Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #42

+1 hobbit709 Nov 2013 #68

"Excerpt From Captain Stormfield's Visit to Heaven" IDemo Nov 2013 #96

And how many answer that because of pressure to do so? Scootaloo Nov 2013 #48

Far fewer than you might guess quaker bill Nov 2013 #75

Especially the Songs of Solomen :) (nt) LostOne4Ever Nov 2013 #113

Societal pressure bhikkhu Nov 2013 #49

nah quaker bill Nov 2013 #78

Another aspect of that is, it doesn't take any thought to "believe in god" bhikkhu Nov 2013 #142

NPR had a show on Sunday that said athiest/agnostic was at 20% now peacebird Nov 2013 #54

The exception? DU. demosincebirth Nov 2013 #56

'universal spirit' could include every belief spanone Nov 2013 #58

What's a "universal spirit?" Deep13 Nov 2013 #59

It's something required in 12-step addiction recovery programs HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #80

So, God then. Deep13 Nov 2013 #112

Well, an emotional crutch or a cane...something to give confidence HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #139

Or just a sense of humility Nevernose Nov 2013 #148

Yes, maybe, I certainly can't say what was meant... HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #152

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #63

Welcome to DU defacto7 Nov 2013 #66

I'm confused. Do all those people believe in the SAME "God"? If not, the wording should be Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #64

the only god I believe in is Murphy hobbit709 Nov 2013 #69

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #70

And 98% of Republicans believe in God Fumesucker Nov 2013 #71

The God I believe in is so awesome, he doesn't NEED to exist. He's more awesomer because he DOESN'T. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #72

How many believe in ... GeorgeGist Nov 2013 #73

.... hmmm, does that equate to belief in extraterrestrial intelligence? ... or just the RKP5637 Nov 2013 #82

Man, ya had to know THIS was going to piss some people off... cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #84

We already have quite a few Republicans posing as Dems as it is Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #120

I hope you don't lose any sleep... cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #143

There's a song that they sing when they take to the highway, DefenseLawyer Nov 2013 #89

I guess belief in God, broadly defined,doesn't bother me. Vattel Nov 2013 #92

Me too, because deep down we all know that there is no god other than Thor. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #110

Good point. Vattel Nov 2013 #116

Not that surprising considering that school has turned TBF Nov 2013 #100

It is impossible to know the minds of others, what they claim to 'believe' is of zero importance. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #101

Can this help reduce bullying? get the red out Nov 2013 #103

Interesting that a smaller % of Independents and Liberals believe in God than do Democrats! FarCenter Nov 2013 #104

My God is donuts. And I believe in them with all of my heart. cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #106

so what smackd Nov 2013 #132

And 88% of them do so while watching porn with "violent" acts, like consensual oral sex. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #134

MANY more DO NOT BELIEVE in these MYTHOLOGIES but won't admit it in phone interviews. It is on the RBInMaine Nov 2013 #135

Except in 2013 when they don't. valerief Nov 2013 #136

Well, the Bible club at my kids Middle School with over 1,000 kids has only 3 kids Quixote1818 Nov 2013 #140

Which God? AnnieBW Nov 2013 #145

i doubt people are completely honest when they answer questions like this. nt Sheri Nov 2013 #149

Magic isn't real. 99Forever Nov 2013 #151

We are all atheists RedCappedBandit Nov 2013 #156

Or in the case of Christianity, 3 gods farther Major Nikon Nov 2013 #160

No. Not true. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #161

Perhaps Major Nikon Nov 2013 #162

All Churches that believe in the Trinity say that it is One God in Three Divine Persons. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #163

At best most rather than "all" Major Nikon Nov 2013 #164

Ok point taken about my saying all, but most think it is how I explained it. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #165

One has to wonder why Major Nikon Dec 2013 #167

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