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In reply to the discussion: Man who created own credit card sues bank for not sticking to terms. [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)76. How surprising you avoided the question at the end of that post.
Again, your claim is that it's fraud to make a counter-offer. You also claim to have negotiated many contracts.
How many people have you sent to prison for making counter-offers?
These are examples of the same type as the original post meant to emphasize the ridiculousness of this, soon to be imprisoned' scammer.
And if you were not so desperately defending your erroneous position, you might realize that not all examples are appropriate.
Miley Cyrus's antics are an example. Doesn't mean it's an example of negotiating a contract.
You keep bringing up situations where the corporation is making an offer, and then does not sign the resulting contract. In those situations, the person signing is saying they agree to the offer as presented by the corporation, but they alter the offer in the text. That's fraud because the person altered the contract while agreeing to not alter the contract.
This is not that situation. The bank signed the resulting contract after the changes. That's because this is Russia, not the US, and the bank must explicitly sign the contract.
Your claim that this is fraud requires that the bank to not agree to the changes. They agreed to the changes by signing the counter-offer. The fact that they did not read the counter-offer does not make it fraud on the customer's part. It makes it negligence on the bank's part. But it's still a valid contract.
It's obvious you hate banks.
No, I hate people who desperately cling to an insanely stupid argument in an attempt to out-last everyone else, and thus not have to admit they made an insanely stupid argument.
But once again, you are trying to run away from the relevant questions in an attempt to deflect from your original error: You are claiming it is fraud to make a counter-offer to a contract.
And you are going to keep throwing anything you can find at this situation in a desperate attempt to hide from that insane argument. Let me help:

In case you can't tell, that's a kitchen sink for you to try and throw at your problem.
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Ahh.. but Argarkov didn't fix the fine print..... "we can screw you but you can't screw us"
groundloop
Nov 2013
#6
This is an interesting case in contract law. What he did is essentially a counter offer and they
Monk06
Nov 2013
#7
That's exactly right...most contracts - even big securities deals - are negotiated by alteration
alcibiades_mystery
Nov 2013
#18
I don't know, it sounds like the guy might be doing some serious prison time over this.
LAGC
Nov 2013
#10
Why do you repeat yourself? You put the same two sentences that fit in your
ChisolmTrailDem
Nov 2013
#48
I'm sorry to have given you the vapors. Maybe a little time in the sanitarium in the country will
ryan_cats
Nov 2013
#55
Again, you come up with an example that is utterly different than this situation.
jeff47
Dec 2013
#67
Would copying a legitimate document and then altering and passing it off as the original be fraud?
ryan_cats
Dec 2013
#77
Perhaps a course in reading comprehension might help understanding your hero.
ryan_cats
Dec 2013
#60
He might have got away with this if the terms he offered were reasonable.
former9thward
Nov 2013
#11
When I am writing the contract those terms will be included. Who is to say which is the offer?
Vincardog
Nov 2013
#15
My position is that I am making an offer to accept credit from the predatory Financial
Vincardog
Nov 2013
#44
At one point there was the first guy - they didn't find that unfair - if a contract is unfair -
grahamhgreen
Nov 2013
#34
Exactly what were the terms to be enforced? What contract (or Offer) that he did not sign would you
Vincardog
Nov 2013
#45