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Marr

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119. Lots of personal insults, but no evidence.

Mon Dec 2, 2013, 06:21 PM

Dec 2013

Frankly, I don't believe your story about unnamed ongoing clinical trials that are backing up your claims. You wouldn't know about the results of a legitimate ongoing study unless you were directly involved in it.

What bothers me about people who promote medical woo is that they waste the time and energy of people who don't have time and energy to waste. And what do you know-- it often makes them money, too. How about that.

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I keep getting told woo is "harmless..." [View all] Archae Dec 2013 OP

Clearly this one was... n/t hlthe2b Dec 2013 #1

Woo can kill. We lost a kid to measles here in the Twin Cities. MineralMan Dec 2013 #2

Do you have equal concern about the thousands that die each year trusting mainstream medical care? Big Blue Marble Dec 2013 #3

Mainstream medicine usually has a way to correct mistakes. Archae Dec 2013 #7

I took Darvon ONCE. I almost died. I passed out, and woke up the next day, Pathwalker Dec 2013 #14

I tool Darvon for post-surgical pain auntsue Dec 2013 #34

I took it and went into Seizure hollysmom Dec 2013 #52

Tell that to those that died. Big Blue Marble Dec 2013 #18

You might want to do some fact checking. Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #26

Several months ago, I saw a website selling laetrile as a cancer cure. Archae Dec 2013 #67

Now there's a spectacularly silly and unfair comparison. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2013 #10

This is not about riskier treatments. Big Blue Marble Dec 2013 #16

Medical mistakes kill people, "alternative" medicine just kills them outright. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #23

Mainstream medicine is responsible for far more injuries and death than alternative medicine. Big Blue Marble Dec 2013 #28

You seem to be confusing mistakes with treatment... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #38

You seemed confused with how often medical treatments applied as intended maim and kill. Big Blue Marble Dec 2013 #54

Tell me about these alternatives that actually work, and give me the clinical trial data please... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #65

"Despite your bias, there are alternatives methods that work" D23MIURG23 Dec 2013 #85

"Mainstream medicine" is effective, "alternative medicine" is ineffective. D23MIURG23 Dec 2013 #84

Actually - it doesn't always work. Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #31

You seem to be confusing "alternative" medicine, which isn't medicine at all... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #39

Not at all. Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #44

OK, in order... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #68

Did you bother to check out the US government website I pointed you to - Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #80

No offense, but just because the government supports it isn't a reason to think it is legitimate... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #99

You are notably silent about the Cleveland Clinic Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #107

My "simplistic" point is this, where is the fucking evidence, apparently, just because.... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #108

Glad to see you finally acknowledge the point I've been making. Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #111

+1 D23MIURG23 Dec 2013 #82

So -- what do you propose auntsue Dec 2013 #35

Apparently, according to Big Blue Marble, you have a better chance at praying... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #40

Excuse me, where did I mention praying? Big Blue Marble Dec 2013 #56

So, when do you expect to die? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #72

This is at best a an irrational response. N/T Big Blue Marble Dec 2013 #78

I am happy to hear you saved your life. Big Blue Marble Dec 2013 #55

Actually, you said medical malpractice kills a lot of people, your problem with... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #71

It is mainstream research that says medicine kills Big Blue Marble Dec 2013 #77

At least big pharma is regulated a little bit, do you trust the big alternative medicine people? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #100

Have you any idea how manipulated drug trials are? Big Blue Marble Dec 2013 #114

Exactly-- sort of like the best surgeons having a higher rate of patient deaths. Marr Dec 2013 #104

LOL,so proven science done incorrectly = no science done correctly. Wow, WTF. n-t Logical Dec 2013 #45

Science done incorrectly can be very dangerous. Big Blue Marble Dec 2013 #58

But woo with no science is better? Average life span only 100 years.... Logical Dec 2013 #59

I would suggest you really do not know what you are talking about. Big Blue Marble Dec 2013 #61

Link to your best study! nt Logical Dec 2013 #62

Here you go: Big Blue Marble Dec 2013 #63

That's not a scientific study, if you are that ignorant of science, no wonder you... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #70

My point was that alternative medicine is being incorporated in modern Big Blue Marble Dec 2013 #76

From 2006? CBS? How about peer reviewed study proving alternative.... Logical Dec 2013 #79

Apparently quite a few hospitols are satisfied that these Big Blue Marble Dec 2013 #83

You mean a profit-seeking corporation will add additional treatments to your bill? jeff47 Dec 2013 #92

Actually - many of these are non-profit entities. Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #109

The practitioners are very concerned with profit, even when the hospital isn't. jeff47 Dec 2013 #110

The practitioners in at least one of those facilities Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #112

Those "treatments" are dirt cheap. Marr Dec 2013 #105

You do not have a clue of how integrated these services are or how much they help. Big Blue Marble Dec 2013 #115

And you do not have a scrap of scientific evidence that they are effective. Marr Dec 2013 #117

Congratulate yourself on your deep smugness. Big Blue Marble Dec 2013 #118

Lots of personal insults, but no evidence. Marr Dec 2013 #119

Oh really, you accuse me of personal insults and then call me a liar. Big Blue Marble Dec 2013 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author Big Blue Marble Dec 2013 #4

If "woo" is a belief predicated on the imaginary... LanternWaste Dec 2013 #5

You're either missing a very obvious distinction, or pretending to do so for rhetorical effect. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2013 #11

How is alternative medicine supernatural? kwassa Dec 2013 #48

The imaginary is imaginary. Politics, religion and philosophy exist no where but our own minds... LanternWaste Dec 2013 #97

Are there any studies documenting the harm of "woo"? DanTex Dec 2013 #6

The ONE thing we know for sure is that there are tons of studies documenting the harm of poo* Berlum Dec 2013 #8

Yeah, materialism fuckin' sucks. Always has. nt AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #43

I think the FDA should review claims and publish (maybe a website) what is known about okaawhatever Dec 2013 #9

Quack watch etherealtruth Dec 2013 #13

Well, ineffectiveness and harmfulness are different things. DanTex Dec 2013 #20

Really? etherealtruth Dec 2013 #21

All good points. DanTex Dec 2013 #22

Whereas iatrogenesis is a proven facet of the Poo Perplex in the realm of Scientific Materialism Berlum Dec 2013 #24

Anti-vaccine woo has convinced thousands of parents to not vaccinate their kids... SidDithers Dec 2013 #88

Yes, that another a good example. DanTex Dec 2013 #93

There is a site documenting this: Paulie Dec 2013 #12

Woo is not harmless etherealtruth Dec 2013 #15

Superstition and woo can definitely be deadly. stevenleser Dec 2013 #17

But not nearly as deadly as Poo* Berlum Dec 2013 #25

I am capable of dealing with two seperate issues etherealtruth Dec 2013 #27

In an obvious flame bait thread intended to dump on what is derided as 'woo' Berlum Dec 2013 #33

What the hell is "scientific materialism?" Archae Dec 2013 #36

I think this is part of Archea's campaign to get us to accept his ideas about the safety of Th1onein Dec 2013 #64

what are the first and second most fatal causes of death...? mike_c Dec 2013 #32

Even Iatrogenesis can be scientifically addressed. Woo can't. nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #74

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Woo and alternative medicines are just as dangerous as prayer. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #29

Prayer is often used in conjunction with modern medical treatment. Kaleva Dec 2013 #47

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #30

Stupid op easttexaslefty Dec 2013 #37

Its not harmless, but i fear it is BootinUp Dec 2013 #41

But, but, but, What's the Harm? longship Dec 2013 #42

What's "woo"? Arkana Dec 2013 #46

"Woo" is a simplistic answer to an uproven hypothesis or theory when nothing else works. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #49

Woo is the way people used to court one another. kwassa Dec 2013 #50

What is woo? PADemD Dec 2013 #53

Woo is wonderful, woo is whatever you want it to be. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #69

"Woo" is a fake word used primarily as an insult by septics. kentauros Dec 2013 #73

Thanks Xyzse Dec 2013 #102

You're welcome! kentauros Dec 2013 #113

Faith in quackery. Orsino Dec 2013 #98

I don't mind much when adults kill themselves off with idiocy like this Warpy Dec 2013 #51

"Woo" doesn't have a particular definition. pnwmom Dec 2013 #57

Except this example was found out to be true by scientific study. Archae Dec 2013 #60

So you are 'claiming' that Poo finds Woo to be untrue Berlum Dec 2013 #75

Folic acid supplements to prevent birth defects were promoted in The Lancet. PADemD Dec 2013 #66

"Holistic" D23MIURG23 Dec 2013 #81

I don't have much faith in big drug companies quinnox Dec 2013 #86

DU rec... SidDithers Dec 2013 #87

I posted about the horrific case of Alex Spourdalakis some time ago... SidDithers Dec 2013 #89

Lack of critical thinking, yes. Woo, no. Archae Dec 2013 #90

They had been "treating" the autistic child with all kinds of woo... SidDithers Dec 2013 #91

Oh cripes... Archae Dec 2013 #94

As far as I can tell, they're still awaiting trial...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #96

Steve Jobs tried to treat his cancer with woo KamaAina Dec 2013 #95

Edit - nevermind Xyzse Dec 2013 #101

RICK FLARE's WOO was the shitz! L0oniX Dec 2013 #103

I almost went deaf in one ear because of woo. Marr Dec 2013 #106

I keep forgetting is cannabis "woo" or not? When did it go off the "woo" list? riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #116