over one third of men would never help a woman struggling with a baby buggy on stairs

[RainDog]

200. that's one perspective

but another notes that feminists have engaged in plenty of insults themselves toward males and females here who disagree with them - simply because they disagree.

I see a lot a people here who claim to be feminist who seem to engage in a lot of "shame-based" thinking.

Most of the women who talk about this issue operate from this pov and, by doing so, they easily fall into blame, shame, and insults.

I think some of these women have been abused in various ways, by their own admission, and their own psychological issues come into play when they try to discuss issues here - and they project these on to others.

In addition, these same women have a long association with anti-GBLT issues, whether they share that pov or not, and this past is considered when they discuss issues with members of that community here. As I recall, at one point, some of them did not want transgender (men to women) to be allowed to post in some forums because they weren't born with certain equipment, etc.

So these discussions don't take place in a vacuum. There's a long history of attacks on both sides, current attacks, as well, and, when reading the threads, it's obvious many of these dynamics are still played out - which is why I mostly try to avoid it all, but occasionally read and participate.

I would prefer to see some compassion all around, but those who have operated from this shame-based place in their own minds have to address their own failures to communicate effectively and have to admit that others may have a pov they don't like based on valid reasoning.