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haele

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54. It might be good for kids who want to learn. But those who don't. value education -

Mon Mar 12, 2012, 12:10 PM

Mar 2012

or whose parents won't (or are unable to) ride their asses to keep them off Facebook or video games when they're supposed to be doing homework on a computer will still hog the teacher's time.
For example - a class of forty low-middle income 13/14 year olds who "know it all" anyway will come to class for their homework session after supposedly reading and watching the lecture online over the weekend - and 1/2 to 3/4 of them will not have even glanced at the book sitting on the sofa or going on the school website the entire weekend.
The teacher will still need to spend half an hour or more going over the lecture and basically holding the hand of some of the unmotivated students to make sure they "understand" what they were supposed to be learning, while the more motivated students will be still trying to do their homework that they may or may not have viewed the lecture for without any assistance during the class.

The children on both ends of the curve are the issue with any education. Like most types of educational plans, this one will be good for some children, but not all.
The question comes down to a benefits assessment; will most students do well in a program like this, and at what age might this be appropriate? Unfortunatly, cost considerations always trump benefits, so if it's cheaper and will help a few students, it will be chosen over a system that might be somewhat more expensive, but will benefit significantly more students.

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KHAN Academy: The future of education? [View all] Bennyboy Mar 2012 OP

Not likely. Too many students in the US. MichiganVote Mar 2012 #1

We use it, we're flipping our classrooms. NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #2

How's it working? Paulie Mar 2012 #3

At first, some students thought it was weird. NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #6

IMO it also kills the "worker-boss" hierarchy. joshcryer Mar 2012 #27

Largely true, I think, and an important feature. NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #70

Hole in the Wall joshcryer Mar 2012 #75

We studied that project in class. geardaddy Mar 2012 #83

"They don't know everything about this subject or everything I would teach them" NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #95

Agree. Flipping classrooms is the way to go. geardaddy Mar 2012 #58

That makes the most sense to me. DevonRex Mar 2012 #63

K/R and adding a link: "Why I Flipped My Classroom" NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #4

How do you know she is a math teacher? EFerrari Mar 2012 #13

She said, "I've been teaching math for the past five years" NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #17

The Friday Institute and education deform: EFerrari Mar 2012 #26

Well we use the principle of flipping yet have never been approached for marketing. NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #44

See my comment below proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #48

I for one suspect all systems. I only trust results. Zalatix Mar 2012 #28

Her name is Katie Gimbar tammywammy Mar 2012 #19

She rocks. I think a lot of people think computers are going to put teachers out of work. NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #21

That's the Friday Institute's channel. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #30

So? tammywammy Mar 2012 #46

So you said it was her channel and it isn't. EFerrari Mar 2012 #53

This is not new... Sancho Mar 2012 #16

Where do you teach, what kind of population of students do you serve? NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #18

I'm waiting for a response here... n/t dogknob Mar 2012 #22

Yes, my grammar school teachers were doing small group work in the early 60s. EFerrari Mar 2012 #29

Amen proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #49

Love Khan Academy Sienna86 Mar 2012 #5

I've been learning at Khan Viva_La_Revolution Mar 2012 #7

That was a great segment on 60 Minutes. I made all of my kids come down and watch it so they Pirate Smile Mar 2012 #8

I agree Joanie Baloney Mar 2012 #38

I just checked it out. LOVE it. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #9

I saw that. It was pretty exciting and made so much sense. Like most innovations, Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #10

I think any technology in Education should be used extremely sparingly and only liskddksil Mar 2012 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author exboyfil Mar 2012 #23

Like pencils, and overhead projectors, they're fucking EVIL! Technology is EVIL! NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #43

i suspect non-digital dead tree textbooks will be completely gone arely staircase Mar 2012 #51

I love it!! but it proves one thing. You can't even give education away in this country. nanabugg Mar 2012 #12

$130,000 exboyfil Mar 2012 #24

i saw the story and it looks awesome arely staircase Mar 2012 #14

the only thing that matters are standardized test scores and corporate profits ya know nt msongs Mar 2012 #15

ugh, we are on spring break then have one last week of prep arely staircase Mar 2012 #20

I would like to see how successful it is on different demographics. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #31

its price is what would make it attractive to the demographic(s) at my school arely staircase Mar 2012 #59

I think this is a move toward the end of institutionalized education. joshcryer Mar 2012 #25

How does this work for students that don't have internet at home? Starry Messenger Mar 2012 #32

This system would have worked great for me. EFerrari Mar 2012 #33

For me it would depend on the subject. Starry Messenger Mar 2012 #35

I also wonder about kids spending yet another chunk of time alone with a machine EFerrari Mar 2012 #36

The alternative, 35 kids sharing one teacher droning on in a monologue lecture... NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #40

I did watch that video which seems to be corporate crap. EFerrari Mar 2012 #52

Sorry, I don't agree. Hate the video if you wish, but the teacher centered lecture model is dead. NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #57

Delete dupe. EFerrari Mar 2012 #60

You keep repeating, over and over, that the lecture "style" is dead EFerrari Mar 2012 #61

What do you teach? proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #65

When I was a teacher, I taught science and math, mostly, then integrated thematic instruction, then NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #71

In my experience, kids don't pay attention "past 90 seconds" mostly because other kids are talking.. LooseWilly Mar 2012 #78

Your rant presumes kids are naturally prone to misbehave or to become distracted. NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #79

Last time I checked, 15 divided by 3 was not 10 proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #50

Thank you. Starry Messenger Mar 2012 #64

can you link to a mistake? Celebration Mar 2012 #85

Next time I come across one, I'll post it. proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #87

LOL, I understand Celebration Mar 2012 #90

Here's a critique...MST3K style. Dr. Strange Jul 2012 #97

Well, first of all, we cannot let that prevent using this model where we can. NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #42

Homes without electricity aren't at all common. proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #67

If 90% of your students don't have Internet at home... NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #68

Mandatory 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #34

Hmm... Does this program have Kirk's support too? cascadiance Mar 2012 #37

Oh dear! Low hanging fruit longship Mar 2012 #39

The future of tutoring maybe Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #41

The Khan model and the "flipping" model assume students are receptacles EFerrari Mar 2012 #55

Well, it shouldn't be the future of education, MadHound Mar 2012 #45

Real academic experts are finding way too many content errors in Khan videos proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #47

It might be good for kids who want to learn. But those who don't. value education - haele Mar 2012 #54

I tend to think of it as re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. EFerrari Mar 2012 #62

Sounds a little similar to Montessori programs Recursion Mar 2012 #56

"Self-paced and collaborative." mia Mar 2012 #93

This Is A Fantastic New Development in Education for this Reason Yavin4 Mar 2012 #66

Exactly! And thank you for not taking a knee-jerk reaction against it. NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #69

I Am Learning Two New Foreign Languages, German and Spanish, This Way Yavin4 Mar 2012 #72

Very cool! Naysayers would say that students will try to cheat, to not work at it... NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #73

Being a major open source advocate I dislike the "faulty exercise" 'complaints.' joshcryer Mar 2012 #74

Capitalist naysayers underestimate us artists and humanity as a whole. NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #84

To clarify, by "complete" I mean I followed the instructions. That's not mine! joshcryer Mar 2012 #86

How are the Khan videos working at Sidwell Friends? Karmadillo Mar 2012 #76

I spoke with William Ayers about flipping the classroom. NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #81

I did this program with the modules in 5th grade� back in 1979-80. Now it's a gimmick to sell PCs... LooseWilly Mar 2012 #77

Say What? It's to sell PCs? Oh no you didn't! NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #80

"one can always tell who does and who does not work with students in real life" proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #91

Thank you! NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #94

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Powerpoint robots rule the roost bathroommonkey76 Mar 2012 #89

overall I like them Celebration Mar 2012 #92

I've quit using PowerPoints. NYC_SKP Mar 2012 #96