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56. I understand that very well. But I think today's center

Tue Dec 10, 2013, 05:40 PM

Dec 2013

is the only real center for TODAY.

We're not going to convince many people if we don't understand where they're coming from. The demise of the Soviet Union shifted the whole country to the right. People who still identify as Democrats are all left of center, that is, today's center, regardless of what was true 30 or 40 or 50 years ago.

The other factor is that both parties used to be more diverse ideologically than they are today. ANY Republican today is far more conservative than ANY Democrat, no matter how "right of center" (meaning, right of center in 1970) you think that Democrat is.

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After watching a segment on MSNBC...would Clinton/Cuomo be a good ticket? [View all] kelliekat44 Dec 2013 OP

Only if you want to win NY by 40 points instead of 35 BeyondGeography Dec 2013 #1

Yes ... a good Republican ticket. Scuba Dec 2013 #2

You are trying to say that that (D) by their name doesn't necessarily mean they are Liberal? RC Dec 2013 #6

When Democratic Underground came into existence pnwmom Dec 2013 #35

But we have many Right of Center "Democrats" here now. RC Dec 2013 #46

I don't think so. They're not to the right of center, pnwmom Dec 2013 #48

I don't think you understand the difference between the real Center and the current political Center RC Dec 2013 #50

I understand that very well. But I think today's center pnwmom Dec 2013 #56

I believe (and polls support) that the people are far to the LEFT of the (supposed Political) center Vincardog Dec 2013 #78

Please show me a poll showing more people identify as being "far to the left." pnwmom Dec 2013 #82

They are Democrats, whether some of you like it or not. Beacool Dec 2013 #9

Anyone can call themselves a Democrat, and their benefactors can purchase popularity. Scuba Dec 2013 #10

Benefactors? Beacool Dec 2013 #12

If we get another corporate Dem in the White House, it will be all our problem, again. Scuba Dec 2013 #13

What will be left of this country if the people elect yet another Wall Street rep? polichick Dec 2013 #21

+1 daleanime Dec 2013 #27

It's a shame this fact needs to be explained to adults here. Phlem Dec 2013 #57

They are Third Way/Wall Street Dems - which is what we used to call Republicans... polichick Dec 2013 #19

True that. Scuba Dec 2013 #39

Ha! Love it. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2013 #29

As much as I like Sen Clinton I am a little concerned by her TheDebbieDee Dec 2013 #86

Not unless one establishes residency in another state SteveG Dec 2013 #3

You mean like bu$h and cheney? RC Dec 2013 #7

Cheney is from Wyoming SteveG Dec 2013 #25

Cheney's resident at the time was Texas. RC Dec 2013 #28

P & VP can not be from same state. DURHAM D Dec 2013 #4

Given a few hours, I'm sure Clinton can be from a different state... hughee99 Dec 2013 #14

Not what the constitution says Retrograde Dec 2013 #17

Not with Clinton on it no on point Dec 2013 #5

I guess it depends on which segment you think they should watch. lightcameron Dec 2013 #8

No/No. Ikonoklast Dec 2013 #11

k&r avaistheone1 Dec 2013 #15

George and Rivers? It would certainly be eclectic. JHB Dec 2013 #16

You won the thread. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #22

Leaving aside the fact that they're from the same state, KamaAina Dec 2013 #18

Walmart/Koch. yeah that's the ticket for what ails our country. adirondacker Dec 2013 #20

Not only no but HELL NO! I don't want a Turd Way ticket. hobbit709 Dec 2013 #23

Who is the turd? hrmjustin Dec 2013 #41

Who isn't? PeteSelman Dec 2013 #52

I voted for both and I do not consider them turds. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #55

That's fine I guess. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #58

So I voted for both and I am a third wayer? hrmjustin Dec 2013 #59

Perhaps you're not. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #60

I assure you I am not. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #62

Ok. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #63

Cuomo I never said I liked, I voted for him. I just don't see him as a turd. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #65

Wasn't the maniac with the baseball bat running against Cuomo? PeteSelman Dec 2013 #70

She will have to explain her views, votes, and actions an if she can not she won't be president. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #72

I don't what there is to explain about this trade deal. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #75

This will get debated in a campaign. this is why she will have a primary to the left. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #76

Will it? Or will it be too late by then? PeteSelman Dec 2013 #77

The quality of her primary opponent will come into play then. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #81

Stupid turds! NuclearDem Dec 2013 #96

No. Myrina Dec 2013 #24

No JoePhilly Dec 2013 #26

Any ticket without Warren (or Sanders!) at the top will be a disappointment. reformist2 Dec 2013 #30

Bernie Sanders is not a member of the Democratic Party. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2013 #31

...and Warren isn't running. brooklynite Dec 2013 #33

That's what they all say. She'll be drafted and like it! reformist2 Dec 2013 #34

There is no draft in modern primaries. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2013 #93

sounds like you want the GOP to have a cakewalk to the whitehouse...didn't nader supporters give us beachbum bob Dec 2013 #38

You win. joshcryer Dec 2013 #94

Nader gave us 8 years of Bush????? Bohunk68 Dec 2013 #97

Maybe so, but it'll be more electable. Beacool Dec 2013 #67

Not constitutionally allowable... brooklynite Dec 2013 #32

no thanks frylock Dec 2013 #36

Third Way to the Third Power. bullwinkle428 Dec 2013 #37

Good for whom? 1000words Dec 2013 #40

They couldn't run together leftynyc Dec 2013 #42

Depends on what you consider a "good ticket" anti partisan Dec 2013 #43

WetzelBill/Kurovski or GTFO Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #44

No.. Upton Dec 2013 #45

No. No. No. Whisp Dec 2013 #47

Great ticket, if the plan is to give what's left of the country to corporations. polichick Dec 2013 #49

Sure, good for Wall Street and the oligarchy in general. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #51

Sanders/Warren (or vice versa) would be a great ticket. Hillary and anybody.....no. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #53

Well, if you want a casino in your town, maybe..... hedgehog Dec 2013 #54

if Hillary needs to balance the ticket by appealing to the centrist wing of the Democratic Party Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #61

On what day of the week mstinamotorcity2 Dec 2013 #64

Remember when Cuomo said he would tangle with public employee unions? He meant it. madfloridian Dec 2013 #66

No. hay rick Dec 2013 #68

No. nt ladjf Dec 2013 #69

no.. n/t SoCalDem Dec 2013 #71

no! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #73

No. JVS Dec 2013 #74

A good third way Dem (DLC) ticket. But then we might as well have Republicans. n/t Cleita Dec 2013 #79

No! Cuomo is dismantling social programs in a very sneaky way. Squinch Dec 2013 #80

Good for encouraging folks to write in Daisy Duck and re - register as independent. TheKentuckian Dec 2013 #83

Ideal! MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #84

After watching MSMedia propaganda you'll believe anything Corruption Inc Dec 2013 #85

No. nt bluestate10 Dec 2013 #87

No DJ13 Dec 2013 #88

No dflprincess Dec 2013 #89

No (nt) bigwillq Dec 2013 #90

Clinton/Schweitzer Big Blue Marble Dec 2013 #91

No... unless you want blue14u Dec 2013 #92

No. Clinton/Castro, YES. Turning TX blue and getting Hispanic vote nationwide would work ancianita Dec 2013 #95

I would happily vote for such a ticket (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #98