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WillyT

(72,631 posts) Thu Dec 12, 2013, 02:24 PM Dec 2013

Occupy... I Wonder If Secretary Kerry Even Gets The Irony Here... [View all]

The United States expresses its disgust with the decision of Ukrainian authorities to meet the peaceful protest in Kyiv’s Maidan Square with riot police, bulldozers, and batons, rather than with respect for democratic rights and human dignity. This response is neither acceptable nor does it befit a democracy.

From: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/11/world/europe/kerrys-statement-on-ukraine.html?_r=0

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Occupy... I Wonder If Secretary Kerry Even Gets The Irony Here... [View all] WillyT Dec 2013 OP

Well, the Ukranian protests are a middle finger to Putin, something we can get behind. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #1

I'm waiting for the Glenn Greenwald column on these protests. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #51

My thought exactly.... HooptieWagon Dec 2013 #2

We're exceptional - neither morality nor rules apply. polichick Dec 2013 #3

I heard that last night and had similar thoughts. n/t hootinholler Dec 2013 #4

I was thinking the same... n/t EC Dec 2013 #5

There's a difference between the Federal government and state/local police Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #6

There was evidence that the response of local police departments Maedhros Dec 2013 #13

Can you provide evidence of this? nt Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #18

Sure. Maedhros Dec 2013 #30

There is evidence of infiltration and surveillance Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #31

I did not make the claim that orders came down from the Federal Government Maedhros Dec 2013 #38

No, there was zero evidence of that, just a bunch of kooky bloggers making that accusatoin. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #35

Your understanding of the terms "zero" and "evidence" is muddled. Maedhros Dec 2013 #39

Those blog posts all cite the same Examiner article. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #40

Well done! I suspected you had it in you. Maedhros Dec 2013 #41

neither said the federal government decided to evict the protestors geek tragedy Dec 2013 #42

I believe the DHS involvement in coordinating police response to OWS Maedhros Dec 2013 #43

There was no coordination on the federal level. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #44

Your source admits it! Maedhros Dec 2013 #45

speculation is not admission. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #47

The EXAMINER can often be a "Huge Bullshit" source--their writers are not vetted well if at all. MADem Dec 2013 #54

Less true than you think dreamnightwind Dec 2013 #14

Those links are dubious at best Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #17

You're trying to discredit this because of FWWM's status? dreamnightwind Dec 2013 #23

I know Fire personally & he's no anti-semite. U4ikLefty Dec 2013 #46

The US Govt was asked to intervene to protect Occupy protestors from the brutality of the Robo Cops sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #48

Kerry was a demonstrator before, ya know. nt riqster Dec 2013 #7

No kidding, it's not like the Ukranians asked a question about a Greg Palast book. arcane1 Dec 2013 #8

What is really disappointing to me is zeemike Dec 2013 #9

+1000 G_j Dec 2013 #10

Who is doing what to whom now? And Kerry had nothing to do with Occupy. randome Dec 2013 #11

That's the point. Maedhros Dec 2013 #15

State and municipal elements of the US Government attacked Occupy and other peaceful AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #16

How many Occupy encampments were there? How many were met with brutality? randome Dec 2013 #20

Yep it is all about the numbers...if it is only 10% it is OK with some. zeemike Dec 2013 #24

It is never 'okay' to attack protesters. randome Dec 2013 #27

But is OK to remain silent when they do zeemike Dec 2013 #29

Kerry was Massachusetts Senator and their were NO verified accounts of brutality in MA karynnj Dec 2013 #57

And with that same standard then zeemike Dec 2013 #59

He is the Secretary of State -- and as such puts out the position of the Obama administration karynnj Dec 2013 #61

Show me. zeemike Dec 2013 #62

How many seriously injured peaceful protesters do you need, including Military Vets exercising the sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #52

Zero would be a good number. randome Dec 2013 #53

Wrong again, it was widely believed that just one day of protesting throughout the previous decade sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #56

The protesters were still in Zuccotti Park in November - starting September 17 karynnj Dec 2013 #63

It is not about Kerry having something to do with Occupy zeemike Dec 2013 #19

So because local police sometimes behaved barbarically... randome Dec 2013 #22

Well that is the point now is it not? zeemike Dec 2013 #26

When "local police sometimes behaved barbarically"... ljm2002 Dec 2013 #36

That is how I see it too. zeemike Dec 2013 #60

Nowhere near the order of magnitude karynnj Dec 2013 #58

Wrong, lots of elected officials had a lot to do with Occupy. But they were politicians who sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #49

+100000000000 woo me with science Dec 2013 #12

Kerry has always been consistent on the right to protest karynnj Dec 2013 #21

Ah those pesky facts. great white snark Dec 2013 #25

And what did he say when the cops beat the shit out of them? zeemike Dec 2013 #28

Well That's Great To Know... But... WillyT Dec 2013 #34

Please let us know what he said about... ljm2002 Dec 2013 #37

Or the near killing by the robo cops of two US Military Veterans. Did anyone go visit those two sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #50

Hillary was doing it before Kerry... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Dec 2013 #32

I'm curious, does anyone know what Kerry said about this? Rex Dec 2013 #33

Why would the then-Senator from MA be expected to comment on an incident MADem Dec 2013 #55